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Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?
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Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
The program goes into the why: in nature fat and sugar can not be found in combination so there is no natural inhibition. They tested this with mice, one set would have unlimited fat, another unlimited sugar, and the third set the combination of sugar and fat. Surprisingly, the first two sets of mice would stop eating when they were full. Only the third set of mice would go on eating and eating..
> in nature fat and sugar can not be found in combination What? What about avocados, coconuts, olives, artichokes, soybeans… I'd more buy the argument that our body tries to maintain a certain ratio of fats to sugar (which is usually mediated by fiber), rather than that humans historically haven't "experienced" foods with both fat and sugar…
Aren't soy beans poisoness when uncooked? And I doubt people ate large volumes of those others without the fiber.
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, but that's batshit insane. My stomach is literally not big enough to handle that much liquid/volume in a single meal. A huge sandwich, 32 oz of liquid, tons of fries, and then another cup of liquid? Somewhere about mid-way through that a normal human being should feel sick and stop eating. That's not a "small" meal by any measure.
Go to McDonald's and watch what people are eating sometime. The quantity of food they're putting away may surprise you. Pay special attention to the number of times they go to refill their drink.
Ice is probably >50% percent of the volume though.
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#134At this point I am quite cynical about any claim that you can get healthier with a specific diet. I can guarantee you that my cyanide and toxic metal diet will make you less healthy but knowing that one thing is true does not automatically mean that you know that another thing is true.
Exercise will make most people healthier in general, particularly stuff associated with your cardiovascular system. We know that. That doesn't mean exercise will make you anything else associated with good health. It might not make you thinner, it might not change any sort of index based on medical tests normally done on inactive people. It might not even make you better looking or hotter in any way. We don't actually know any of that other stuff for sure.
This all simplifies things a lot. The advice should be: "get some exercise every once in a while. Don't worry so much about stuff that we don't actually know."
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yep. Anyone who has ever trained for a marathon or other endurance event understands that eating 4000+ calories a day is a chore. On top of the fact that you want these to be "good" calories... Let's just say I ate a lot of rice with veggies. Which leads to the blunt advice I give most people seeking to lose weight. Sure, you might be genetically predisposed to have a slow metabolism, but at the end of the day "calor…
I still think "eat less" is bad advice, because just "eating less" chips/soda/garbage is pretty difficult. I've tried. It requires an extreme and inhuman amount of willpower. Our natural drive is to vacuum up all the easy energy in front of us. "Eat better" is probably better/more useful vague advice. You can eat a whole lot of salad/veggies and it wont end up being that many calories (so, in this case, you're eating…
> I still think "eat less" is bad advice, because just "eating less" chips/soda/garbage is pretty difficult. I've tried. It requires an extreme and inhuman amount of willpower. Our natural drive is to vacuum up all the easy energy in front of us.
Exactly, so don't have any of that stuff around you. Easy calories makes for easy pounds. If you had to actually go out and get that bag of chips you're craving, you're far less likely to do it. Within a week of abstinence, you're not even craving them anymore.
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#136The author lost me when it left out the mention of Ancel Keys cherry picking data to support his hypothesis that fat is bad, and then noting off-hand that he lived to be 100 (somehow validating his hypothesis?) Poorly written article that felt more like a defensive hit piece (e.g., dedicating eight paragraphs to destroying the credibility of Sylvia Tara) than something that sought to answer the question posed by its…
> and then noting off-hand that he lived to be 100 (somehow validating his hypothesis?)
Longevity like this is virtually all genetics, so it wouldn't validate any such hypothesis.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
> in nature fat and sugar can not be found in combination What? What about avocados, coconuts, olives, artichokes, soybeans… I'd more buy the argument that our body tries to maintain a certain ratio of fats to sugar (which is usually mediated by fiber), rather than that humans historically haven't "experienced" foods with both fat and sugar…
Aren't soy beans poisoness when uncooked? And I doubt people ate large volumes of those others without the fiber.
My point exactly. I think the claim that "sugar + fat is not found in nature" is incomplete without mentioning fiber.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
I thought eating fat with sugar was better than eating sugar alone since the fat slowed down the absorption of the sugar, thus dampening the insulin response.
"When people eat a diet that is high in calories and high in fructose, the liver gets overloaded and starts turning the fructose into fat. Lustig and other scientists believe that excess fructose consumption may be a key driver of many of the most serious diseases of today. These include obesity, type II diabetes, heart disease and even cancer." https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-fructose-bad-for-you/
Lustig is a paid shill of the meat and dairy industries. In reality, it's the animal products most strongly linked to disease, not sugar.
See many, many studies about this on http://nutritionfacts.org
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
I skipped to the last few minutes of that, they seem to do a nice summary... "avoid processed foods" "All faddish diets are wrong and exercise is important" "the combination of fat and sugar is bad" (not just one or the other but foods full of both like donuts are bad)
I thought eating fat with sugar was better than eating sugar alone since the fat slowed down the absorption of the sugar, thus dampening the insulin response.
Wrong, it's exactly the opposite: sugar keeps fat from being metabolized, hence it's incorrectly scapegoated for weight gain.
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#140It's both. Eat whole plant foods, I.e. a vegan unprocessed diet, and you'll be fine. Just like your ancestors did and were.