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Re: The thriving black market of John Deere tractor hacking

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Post by weberc2 »

gcb0 wrote: post #162
weberc2 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While John Deere does buy OEM parts, it designs and builds a lot of stuff in house, including engines. It owns and operates foundries and it even designs its own embedded computers (and writes the firmware, operating system, CAN drivers, and application software). It probably takes longer to prepare the factory for a new model-year build of an existing tractor than it takes some software vendors to get an MVP to mark…

so? they probably sell parts to competitors and vice versa. for example, a Chrysler pt Cruiser have a engine designed by bmw, made in Brazil and Mexico on foundries owned by Volkswagen. that's an extreme example, but hope this gives the idea to the downvote army.

> so?

Why are you confused? You said "all manufacturers just assemble readily available parts". I demonstrated that this is not the case for John Deere (or probably any other automotive manufacturer), which builds many of its own components and writes much of its own software in-house.

Re: The thriving black market of John Deere tractor hacking

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Post by cakeface »

avmich wrote: post #119
chrisbennet wrote: post #99

Check this out: https://industryhack.com/challenges/hack-the-harvester/ "We invite all hackers, designers and forest machine enthusiasts to hack the harvester. We will take you to a visit to the Ponsse’s manufacturing factory, show harvesters in action and provide you with different APIs and data sets from the forest machines and the maintenance process. Now, Ponsse wants to build a community of tech startups and tal…

For the same reasons I think we all could benefit from an open source firmware on regular cars. I'm still looking into what car manufacturer opens their codes for computers in the car, but can't find any.

I completely agree. I would really love to be able to examine and update the code running my car. It seems like opening up car computers is essential to retaining freedom of transportation. Especially when everything becomes self driving. After I read about the tunnel paradox I started worrying about the life and death decisions that my care might make on my behalf. I wonder what RMS thinks about this?

Re: The thriving black market of John Deere tractor hacking

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Post by oliverdamian »

We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all machines are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of open source firmware, operating systems, & the freedom to connect via open standards.

Re: The thriving black market of John Deere tractor hacking

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Post by Nadya »

icantdrive55 wrote: post #14
rconti wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[citation needed] There is no vehicle on the market (that I know of) which will refuse to run without an oil change. On my 17 year old BMW and 2 year old VW, the oil service indicator is just a reminder, a courtesy. On the BMW I can reset it with a paper clip. On the VW I can reset it on the screen on the dash. Honestly, most of the major things that go wrong with cars these days are still mechanical, and are still f…

I completely agree, until you have a problem that requires you hook a scan tool up to that diagnostic link. I have a snap-on mt2500, and two other generic scan tools. I can get hard codes on most vechicles. I can't get certain codes or repair information on many newer vechicles. The problem arises when you have an intermittent problem, and need access into those propriatiatry systems. The dealerships get software upd…

I hope that you see this. Your comments have been being autokilled for the past 6 months, you've been shadowbanned. Going through your history - I wasn't able to quite figure out why, except the lengthiness of your replies. Perhaps you got flagged as a spammer by the system?

I thought you should know.

For me, nearly this entire page of comments show up as [dead]: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=icantdrive55&next=12...

Re: The thriving black market of John Deere tractor hacking

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

1. John Deere is right and protecting themselves and trying to be risk averse.

2. The farmers are rightfully indignant about being locked out of their own machines. Farmers are risk averse too.

Never the twain shall meet.

It's the tech and scale that is wrong.

The field of ag isn't suitable because of the nature of work especially during harvest.

Maybe all smart machines should only be leased out. It is logical but that would never sit well with farmers because that is trusting someone who doesn't understand farming.

'Smart farm machinery' isn't useful unless it can be repaired by 'the cloud'(as it were).

Your life will/can go on without your iPhone. Without farm machinery(800-1000 acres is a 'small farm'), you are toast. The farm is toast. Income is toast.

Although, I wonder how farm insurance treats smart machines.

Smart farming machinery isn't really all that smart. Yet.

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