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Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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Post by mgkimsal »

kough wrote: post #54
Aron wrote: post #40

My intuition is that there is a small delta in impact between a 'reasonable' diet and a 'perfect' diet, and so playing in that margin is pointless. But I've always felt it notable that you can consume a whole day's worth of calories in about 5 minutes with a super happy value meal, and then be hungry again a few hours later. I'd say avoid doing that.

Actually, it's pretty hard to eat a whole day's worth of calories in a single meal. I know this because I've tried to, regularly, as part of a longer attempt to gain weight. If you're ordering at McDonald's, your best calorie/dollar ratio [edit: s/your best/my preferred] is the ~800 calorie double quarter pounder with cheese for ~6 dollars. My daily caloric requirements are estimated at 3000 calories based on my age…

the $6 range includes the 'meal' with drink and fries - add at least 400 more calories.

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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Post by jimjimjim »

all things in moderation.

not too much sugar.

not too much fat.

not too much food.

eat more green veges.

not too much carbon/charcoal.

avoid processed stuff.

but most important: don't tell anyone else. If everybody does it then the food industry will insidiously alter itself to pull people back in while finding a way to make good things bad.

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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Post by Chathamization »

kough wrote: post #54
Aron wrote: post #40

My intuition is that there is a small delta in impact between a 'reasonable' diet and a 'perfect' diet, and so playing in that margin is pointless. But I've always felt it notable that you can consume a whole day's worth of calories in about 5 minutes with a super happy value meal, and then be hungry again a few hours later. I'd say avoid doing that.

Actually, it's pretty hard to eat a whole day's worth of calories in a single meal. I know this because I've tried to, regularly, as part of a longer attempt to gain weight. If you're ordering at McDonald's, your best calorie/dollar ratio [edit: s/your best/my preferred] is the ~800 calorie double quarter pounder with cheese for ~6 dollars. My daily caloric requirements are estimated at 3000 calories based on my age…

Yeah, I've found the McDonald's nutrition calculator to be fun to mess around with:

https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/about-our-food/nutrition-...

For example, if you eat a breakfast of a bacon, egg and cheese biscuit with a hashbrown; a lunch of a quarter pounder and cheese with medium fries, and a dinner of a double quarter pounder with cheese and medium fries, that ends up being 2,580 calories (2,500 is considered the norm for a man to keep his body weight).

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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Post by Nav_Panel »

kough wrote: post #54
Aron wrote: post #40

My intuition is that there is a small delta in impact between a 'reasonable' diet and a 'perfect' diet, and so playing in that margin is pointless. But I've always felt it notable that you can consume a whole day's worth of calories in about 5 minutes with a super happy value meal, and then be hungry again a few hours later. I'd say avoid doing that.

Actually, it's pretty hard to eat a whole day's worth of calories in a single meal. I know this because I've tried to, regularly, as part of a longer attempt to gain weight. If you're ordering at McDonald's, your best calorie/dollar ratio [edit: s/your best/my preferred] is the ~800 calorie double quarter pounder with cheese for ~6 dollars. My daily caloric requirements are estimated at 3000 calories based on my age…

I find it far easier to consume vast amounts of calories when I'm eating straight carbs as opposed to foods with more balanced macronutrient compositions, such as cheeseburgers. The fat and protein would fill me right up.

I find it pretty easy to eat a whole bag of chips (1500ish kcal) and a bottle of soda (250ish kcal) in one sitting, but I likely wouldn't feel too well an hour or two afterward. Same goes for candy, it's so easy to just eat hundreds of calories when you're at your desk and not thinking too hard about it.

If I were trying to maximize my caloric intake at McDonald's, I'd probably get the burger and also a large fries (500kcal) with the BBQ sauce (I could probably go through 3 or 4 packets at 50kcal each, so that's another 1-200) and a large soda (300kcal), for a total of 1800 kcal. Still not a fully day's worth, but close.

The really hard part is getting sufficient protein for gaining muscle mass, especially if you're lactose intolerant or vegan/vegetarian...

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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Post by kough »

sushisource wrote: post #64
kough wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, it's pretty hard to eat a whole day's worth of calories in a single meal. I know this because I've tried to, regularly, as part of a longer attempt to gain weight. If you're ordering at McDonald's, your best calorie/dollar ratio [edit: s/your best/my preferred] is the ~800 calorie double quarter pounder with cheese for ~6 dollars. My daily caloric requirements are estimated at 3000 calories based on my age…

Yep. Anyone who has ever trained for a marathon or other endurance event understands that eating 4000+ calories a day is a chore. On top of the fact that you want these to be "good" calories... Let's just say I ate a lot of rice with veggies. Which leads to the blunt advice I give most people seeking to lose weight. Sure, you might be genetically predisposed to have a slow metabolism, but at the end of the day "calor…

Yeah. I was eating ~1500 calories every day for lunch from McDonald's, plus two big protein shakes (another ~1400 calories), plus a 4-egg scramble with vegetables every morning and a rice/beans/veggies/chicken dinner. That's only a little over 4000 calories and I felt fucking disgusting. It turns out one of the tricks is timing, without a regular schedule I simply could not eat enough because I wouldn't be hungry.

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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Post by kough »

Nav_Panel wrote: post #74
kough wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, it's pretty hard to eat a whole day's worth of calories in a single meal. I know this because I've tried to, regularly, as part of a longer attempt to gain weight. If you're ordering at McDonald's, your best calorie/dollar ratio [edit: s/your best/my preferred] is the ~800 calorie double quarter pounder with cheese for ~6 dollars. My daily caloric requirements are estimated at 3000 calories based on my age…

I find it far easier to consume vast amounts of calories when I'm eating straight carbs as opposed to foods with more balanced macronutrient compositions, such as cheeseburgers. The fat and protein would fill me right up. I find it pretty easy to eat a whole bag of chips (1500ish kcal) and a bottle of soda (250ish kcal) in one sitting, but I likely wouldn't feel too well an hour or two afterward. Same goes for candy,…

Yup, I was trying to balance everything out and eat the right macros. I ended up settling on a DQPwC and a 10-piece chicken nuggets + 2 packets of ranch sauce + a small fries as my standard order.

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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Post by mahyarm »

kough wrote: post #69
cheald wrote: post #61

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Now add a 32oz coke (320 calories) and a large fry (510) and you're at 1,652 calories for what many people would consider a "small" meal. Throw in a 510 calorie McFlurry for dessert and you've just blown past 2k calories in a single sitting.

Have you ever tried to eat that much? The whole point of my comment is that it's very difficult to "blow past 2k calories in a single sitting." Not that it's impossible – obviously McDonald's has a lot of high-calorie foods.

I'm pretty good at the entire eating thing. I could easily see myself eating 2000 calories by eating a large burger, a plate of fries and a few cups of cola. I'm also 6'2" and eat fast.

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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Post by finid »

e40 wrote: post #51
Alex3917 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The catch though is that you need fat to live. That is, without fat in your diet you're not able to digest plants. And if for whatever reason you're not eating enough fat, your body will crave sugar. So basically eat healthy fats. If you don't eat enough healthy fat (e.g. from walnuts), your body will start craving unhealthy fats. And if you don't eat either then your body will crazy sugar as a last resort. As far as…

When I started doing intermittent fasting I also started eating lots of walnuts, and I can say my craving for sugar went way, way down. I haven't had sugar once since I started IF (> 30 days).

I haven't had sugar once since I started IF

Does that mean you haven't included sugar in your foods yourself, or you've managed to avoid eating any prepared food since you started?

Practically all prepared foods contain sugar, though they might not call it that in the ingredients list. When next you go boy chicken or turkey, read the list of ingredients. I'm talking about the raw forms, not the already cooked ones. It's shocking.

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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Post by kough »

cies wrote: post #66
kough wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, it's pretty hard to eat a whole day's worth of calories in a single meal. I know this because I've tried to, regularly, as part of a longer attempt to gain weight. If you're ordering at McDonald's, your best calorie/dollar ratio [edit: s/your best/my preferred] is the ~800 calorie double quarter pounder with cheese for ~6 dollars. My daily caloric requirements are estimated at 3000 calories based on my age…

> that's even with smoking weed to increase my appetite. All in the name of science, of course. I read a large milkshake at McD's has 850 calories, and I cannot imagine it costs more then 6 bucks.

The milkshakes are a ripoff, just buy protein powder and whole milk and make your own at home for much, much cheaper. I wasn't doing a supersize me experiment, I ate a lot of other calories in other ways.

Re: Is Fat Killing Us, or Is Sugar?

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Post by cies »

molloy wrote: post #27
Shanbo wrote: post #21

Kind of crazy that you guys don't understand this yet. I may not know how to hack, but I know how the body operates. Most people would do well to read Volek & Phinney, both 'the art and science of low carbohydrate living' and 'the art and science of low carbohydrate performance'

In turn, I recommend you read How Not to Die by Dr. Michael Greger. http://nutritionfacts.org/book/

This is the single best advice in this whole thread. I read it: it covers so much ground. You need to be a bit of a nerd (the text is loaded with refs to papers) and makes use of jargon where no simple alternative exists -- but it is by no means a hard read.

Srsly this book can add 15 healthy years to your life!

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