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New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by colanderman »

xutopia wrote: post #185
colanderman wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's adversarial thinking. If the man and woman are in a trusting relationship, the question changes from one of "power" to responsibility. Today, most reversible contraceptive methods (pill, rhythm, IUD, abortion) rely on the woman owning responsibility (one which they may be unwilling or unable to carry out). Male contraception relieves women of that burden.

A lot of sex happens outside of trusting relationships. The woman with whom I lost my virginity tried to trick me into being the father for a child that wasn't mine. It most likely isn't representative but as a polyamorous man, with financial stability, I can assure you that a lot of women I've met would gladly have an "accident" with me. I sleep easier knowing I had a vasectomy.

I don't deny that, but the majority of women are not so manipulative. The GP's blanket claim "the argument that women would do more for male birth control is somewhat strange" would assume that the majority of women are so immoral. They most certainly are not.

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Post by magic_beans »

rabboRubble wrote: post #241
jwdunne wrote: post #226

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Bang on. Me and my partner were planning on me getting a vasectomy in a year, when her implant runs out. We've had to bring that forward a year because one side effect is also a symptom of cancer or polyps. After removal, she experienced a huge lift in energy levels and greater stability of mood. I have 2 children so a vasectomy isn't so bad an idea. Even still, it is an invasive and permanent treatment and I'd prefe…

Plus, unlike women, you/men can bank sperm in case you have need of it later.

That's not entirely true... I'm not saying it's even CLOSE to as easy or as cheap as collecting sperm, but woman are able to have their eggs collected and frozen for future use.

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Post by magic_beans »

tlb wrote: post #142
YCode wrote: post #111

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What all have we lost due to birth control?

Before birth control, it was an accomplishment one could be proud of to have children at the right time. It required stable relationships and self-control. Your family and church would give you a lot of respect if you succeeded, and contempt if you failed. It was a test that separated the virtuous from the lazy, weak, and sinful. When such hardships are made optional by technological or social progress, most find new…

I don't think you understand just how painful some women's periods can be. I take birth control NOT to have unbridled sex, but to live my life normally without excruciating, debilitating pain every 23 days.

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Post by sergior »

SamBam wrote: post #180
sergior wrote: post #125

This is great. Friend of mine has been tricked by a woman into having a baby and now he has to give away most of his money in form of maintenance. He used a condom, but she emptied it inside her when he was asleep after the sex.

Old urban legend, that is notoriously hard to find any evidence of, and just so happens to nicely dovetail with the "Redpill" ideas about crazy, manipulative women. If you didn't know the man in question, which would you find more likely: that a woman emptied a condom in herself in order to secretly make herself pregnant, in order to claim alimony; or that the couple failed to practice safe sex correctly (either thro…

There are forums out there were women discuss best ways to entrap a male into paying support. If state also pays good benefits this is a way for these women to make living.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by sergior »

WA wrote: post #224
sergior wrote: post #125

This is great. Friend of mine has been tricked by a woman into having a baby and now he has to give away most of his money in form of maintenance. He used a condom, but she emptied it inside her when he was asleep after the sex.

Unlikely. Sperms die rather quickly in plain air (read: not inside a vagina). Even in a vagina, they die quickly if the cervical mucus isn't perfect (because of the acidic pH environment of the vagina) – and it's only perfect a few days before/on ovulation day.

She somehow managed it - I can only think is that she practised it a lot to get it right.

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Post by rubicon33 »

jwdunne wrote: post #245
rubicon33 wrote: post #232

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> We've had to bring that forward a year because one side effect is also a symptom of cancer or polyps. Can you please elaborate on this, or link me something? Without going into too much detail, my partner has an implant, and has been having a cancer scare recently. I would really like to know more about these side effects of the implant, which as you say, are also symptoms of cancer / polyps.

Vaginal bleeding, regular spotting, cramps and fatigue. Above and beyond the irrelugar periods implants cause. It was only by the doctor's mention that we got the implant removed ASAP so we could see if it was that. If not, we could explore straight away. Fortunately it was the implant. I'm not so sure about giving false hope as I don't know the ins and outs but it is possible. The particular cancer is endometrial.

Thank you for that information.

I've relayed it to my wife, and hopefully that's all this is. She's seeing a doctor today, so the timing couldn't have been better.

Edit: I would reply to your below comment, but I can't for some reason. But, just wanted to say, thank you.

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Post by darklajid »

magic_beans wrote: post #252
rabboRubble wrote: post #241

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Plus, unlike women, you/men can bank sperm in case you have need of it later.

That's not entirely true... I'm not saying it's even CLOSE to as easy or as cheap as collecting sperm, but woman are able to have their eggs collected and frozen for future use.

I think the GP mentioned that because this subthread discussed a "permanent" solution for men. Storing sperm might be a workaround for future "wouldn't it be nice.." regrets. An insurance.

I'm not aware of mainstream (or any, really) permanent solutions for women, at least not to replace contraceptives (medical reasons - like cancer - for an invasive surgery don't count).

So, if women usually don't decide to become sterile (?), the process to collect and store eggs seems less relevant.

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Post by rabboRubble »

magic_beans wrote: post #252
rabboRubble wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plus, unlike women, you/men can bank sperm in case you have need of it later.

That's not entirely true... I'm not saying it's even CLOSE to as easy or as cheap as collecting sperm, but woman are able to have their eggs collected and frozen for future use.

True, but women have to take drugs to stimulate egg production for harvesting. These drugs have side effects. My sister in law went through hell during multiple rounds of IVF.

Spanking one (or many) out in a cup at a collection center has virtually no risk to the man.

Check into Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome...

http://www.advancedfertility.com/ovarian-hyperstimulation.ht...

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Post by jwdunne »

rubicon33 wrote: post #256
jwdunne wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaginal bleeding, regular spotting, cramps and fatigue. Above and beyond the irrelugar periods implants cause. It was only by the doctor's mention that we got the implant removed ASAP so we could see if it was that. If not, we could explore straight away. Fortunately it was the implant. I'm not so sure about giving false hope as I don't know the ins and outs but it is possible. The particular cancer is endometrial.

Thank you for that information. I've relayed it to my wife, and hopefully that's all this is. She's seeing a doctor today, so the timing couldn't have been better. Edit: I would reply to your below comment, but I can't for some reason. But, just wanted to say, thank you.

I hope it all goes well for your wife today. I know it must be a really anxious time for you both. The above happened to us in the last week so the terror of the prospect is still fresh.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by tptacek »

patrickg_zill wrote: post #182
SamBam wrote: post #172

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How is any of that different from the contraceptives that already exist? Further, your notion of "Idiocracy" (believing that the "smart hardworking people" have fewer kids) doesn't match at all with the fact that IQ keeps rising in every generation in the US, and fewer people are poor or jobless than they were in the 50s or before.

I would point out that you are relying on government statistics for your "poor or jobless" point - and many have pointed out sources of bias that call those stats into question; and also, you are assuming that the Flynn effect will be ongoing rather than just reflecting a topping-up due to better nutrition and more widespread education. Others have calculated that USA/UK have lost as much as 14 IQ points since Victor…

Do you have a more authoritative cite for this than a tabloid article?
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