This is great. Friend of mine has been tricked by a woman into having a baby and now he has to give away most of his money in form of maintenance. He used a condom, but she emptied it inside her when he was asleep after the sex.
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Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year
#152Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.
It's probably difficult because you don't have children and therefore lack the experience necessary to develop a comprehensive understanding of the topic. That's not to say your partial understanding is not valid, it's just incomplete. Not only am I adopted (thus not "wanted"), but neither of my children were planned and my wife and I initially couldn't agree. From my real world experience, and not speculation, it on…
> Not only am I adopted (thus not "wanted")
So are you saying that, despite the effort, time, and money it takes for adoption, your adoptive parents didn't want you?
That doesn't make any sense.
While it might be true that your birth parent(s) didn't want you, there might be reasons why that is so; of course, I can't speak to that as I don't know your situation.
What I can say, though, is that my parents wanted me when I was adopted. I can't really say why my birth mother (let alone whoever my father is/was) gave me up for adoption (what I was told as a child, doesn't sit completely right with me as an adult - I'll never know the truth, though - and that's ok). But I do know that my adoptive parents spent a lot of time and money to keep me (I was a foster child before that, at 2 years of age). That and the rest of my life growing up makes me know that I was wanted.
Perhaps I'm just misinterpreting what you wrote; if so, I apologize.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
What all have we lost due to birth control?
Before birth control, it was an accomplishment one could be proud of to have children at the right time. It required stable relationships and self-control. Your family and church would give you a lot of respect if you succeeded, and contempt if you failed. It was a test that separated the virtuous from the lazy, weak, and sinful. When such hardships are made optional by technological or social progress, most find new…
The problem with this lovely wheat-from-chaff heuristic is that "failure" results in the introduction of a new human life into a world that may not be prepared for it and will be strained ecologically for its existence. I would much rather have a world where the lazy, weak, and sinful pop pills towards an ecologically sustainable population than one where the virtuous are lauded for bringing five or six new people into existence, but, you know, at the "right time".
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
That pill is entirely different from what the article up top is talking about.
That's why "pill" is inside quotes. And in any case, basic biology and the presented numbers still stand as the reality.
The reality is that it's a lot easier to block the sperm than the egg. The former just requires a bit of intestine, or latex if you feel like being modern. Zero side effects too, at least for those without allergies to the material.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Children are worse than the worst STD. You can live a pretty normal life with HIV, Syphilis, herpes, etc.
I agree in the sense that an STD only has to impact your life whereas a child is virtually guaranteed to consume vastly more resources and go on to impact society at large. That said, you may be surprised to learn you can live a pretty normal life with a child.
If you define "normal" as "being like most people" then you probably can't live a normal life without a child.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not OP but argument is likely that condoms are expensive.
Depends I suppose. They're generally free from your local doctor/clinic/sexual health charity in the UK.
There can be a huge social stigma about walking into sexual health clinics. I'll provide an example.
In my city, the old STD clinic was in a random building with mixed use (commercial, health, residential). The clinic was on the 5th floor and not marked. You only really knew it was a STD clinic if you had an appointment there. The clinic moved into a new building and were lucky to expand into a large space. Like many new buildings, way finding is important and the waiting room was marked with Sexual Health Clinic and the elevator level was marked with Sexual Health Clinic. Even though you don't need to use your own name at this clinic, they saw a huge decline in visits since it was quite obvious when someone was attending the clinic. People didn't want to be seen in the Sexual Health Clinic.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't have your experience, nor do I really know what it's like, but here's a perspective I thought of after reading your post. Your birth parents may not have wanted you, putting you for adoption. However, you were wanted in a different sense, chosen for adoption by whomever adopted you. -shrugs- Don't know what point I wanted to make, just a thought
I would also add that his birth parents had enough compassion to let their child have life.
Religious or other social reasons aside, the fact that s/he was brought to term indicates that he was wanted in some sense by his birth parents. Late-term abortions are most typically done only in the case of a grave medical issue (for the fetus or mother).
Instead, what may have happened are situations changed for the couple. Maybe a nasty divorce occurred, or one of the partners abruptly left the relationship for reasons? Or maybe the father suddenly died? Or lost his job (or she did - or they both did)? Or any one of those coupled with already having other children. Any one of those, and other reasons, could be the case. Had something like that happened late in the pregnancy, where a legal late-term abortion wasn't available or allowed, then adoption might be the only choice for the parent(s).
That doesn't mean s/he wasn't wanted by the birth parents, but that they instead (perhaps) loved the resulting infant so much that they decided adoption would give a better chance for life than keeping him/her. Maybe that was the wrong choice, maybe not.
Adult choices are rarely easy.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ability to take risks (like starting a business or moving to a new city or country) is the biggest one. Otherwise: money, sleep, free time, dating pool shrinks significantly, peace of mind, ability to travel
What are you going to do with your extra money, sleep, and free time? You don't have to worry about the dating pool when you are married, something you should couple with who you are having sex with. Also the dating pool shrinks with age regardless. On ability to travel: most people eat sleep go to work go to the bathroom and spend time with their families (another reason the dating pool shrinks so significantly). An…
> most people eat sleep go to work go to the bathroom and spend time with their families
> I don't know what kind of peace of mind you get by living for your own pleasure
> If you're not dedicated to raising others up, either your kids or in some kind of missionary work, then not really sure you can say you're living your life and are doing anything worthwhile
Are you unable to look at life through any lens other than your own? There are lots of different types of people in this world living a myriad of different lifestyles, many of which offer plenty of personal satisfaction, add real value to the world, and should be considered worthwhile. Having kids and doing missionary work might personally give you a sense of self worth, but that doesn't mean there aren't other paths to finding self worth/meaning that aren't just as valid. Your worldview is not the only one that matters.
Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year
#159There is a lot of social commentary on this thread.
Unanswered however is, "How will this affect relationships between men and women"?
The "MGTOW" crowd laud this development, arguing that once control of fertility is in the hands of men rather than women (a woman can always "forget" to take the pill)... something good, as they define it, will happen. (IANAMGTOW - I am not a MGTOW)
In terms of total fertility rate, what does this mean for a country/nation when one population group greatly restricts having kids in terms of moral suasion, societal acceptability, etc. while offering money to those who do have kids? e.g. upper middle class (children discouraged, at least beyond 2 kids) vs. other classes in society (have a bunch of kids).
Living in the USA I have often heard complaints along the lines that we seem to be "discouraging the smart and hard-working people from having kids, while paying stupid people to have them".
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh, there are a ton of people complaining that female contraception encourages people to have sex they shouldn't be having. It's not usually framed in terms of STDs, but I'm pretty sure the STD argument here is just a cover for a moralistic argument anyway.
How sad that arguing virtue for its own sake is now politically incorrect.
I'd like to hear your argument as to how "virtue" figures into one consenting adult having sex or not with another consenting adult.
/"chewed gum" arguments?