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New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by criddell »

nvahalik wrote: post #89
duopixel wrote: post #37

Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.

Indeed, the cultural "importance" will be revealed in time. However, I fear not in the way you intend. There used to be a time when we as a society valued things like self-control, discipline, and tradition. No more. What you are alluding to here is a world where we are ruled by our emotions and our basest desires without the fear or potential for having to deal with our actions. To divorce sex from children is to mi…

Are you really claiming to have a superior understanding of intimacy, family, and the underpinnings of society?

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Post by gragas »

sleepychu wrote: post #29
foepys wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't even make sense. Women have the possibility to abort a pregnancy while men have no say whatsoever (in regions where the big pharma companies are coming from). So the argument that women would do more for male birth control is somewhat strange considering they have all the power in their hands right now.

Most women would like to avoid getting pregnant by accident, even if they have the option to abort an unwanted pregnancy. This method seems to have no side effect and would reduce the chance with another contraceptive method with 98% success of prevention would make the odds of pregnancy within 1 year negligible (and they only go down over time) The article claims that since the executives of pharma companies are ric…

But what does being white have to do with it?

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by sigmar »

torrent-of-ions wrote: post #32
k-mcgrady wrote: post #26

I wonder how this would effect STD rates in areas with bad sex ed? I could see a lot of people thinking 'don't need a condom because I can't make someone pregnant now'. Not that this product is a bad thing, very useful for people in monogamous relationships.

I can't see how it would have a positive effect. HIV infection rates in the gay community have shot up in recent years unfortunately as people have become complacent with condoms. Without the risk of pregnancy one can only assume the same thing will happen in the straight community.

>HIV infection rates in the gay community have shot up in recent years unfortunately as people have become complacent with condoms.

This is not accurate in the US. HIV diagnoses among gay men have increased less than 1% from 2010-2014 according to the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/

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Post by elastic_church »

> Stories like that encourage Guha to persist with the project, he said, even though patents on his invention have long since expired and he won’t see any personal financial gain even if it takes off worldwide.

Hm, in America you can get a patent term extension due to regulatory delays in bringing a product to market at other agencies, such as the FDA

Does that not exist in India?

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by nvahalik »

and0 wrote: post #120
nvahalik wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right. Society has not collapsed. It's just been turned inside out. Instead of collapse we have: * Children with "two dads" or "two moms" rather than a nuclear family. * Children with three genetic parents. * A society where personal autonomy is regarded as the ultimate end. * Laws (such as the Title IX debacle) that are self-contradictory. * A legal system where what feels good is valued above the letter of t…

There are valid points to be made about HN being a bit of a bubble but I'm pretty comfortable pointing out that this is a forum for intellectual honesty and you're really showing none of that. These are tired arguments (ramblings really), to the point where I'm almost convinced you're trolling.

Lack of intellectual honesty? I'm sorry, was there anything I said that was false? Instead of responding to my list of illustrations all you can do is say that I'm trolling?

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by aianus »

mehaveaccount wrote: post #119
aianus wrote: post #102

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Children are worse than the worst STD. You can live a pretty normal life with HIV, Syphilis, herpes, etc.

What are you going to miss in life if you have children?

Ability to take risks (like starting a business or moving to a new city or country) is the biggest one.

Otherwise: money, sleep, free time, dating pool shrinks significantly, peace of mind, ability to travel

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Post by Jarwain »

dvdhnt wrote: post #100
duopixel wrote: post #37

Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.

It's probably difficult because you don't have children and therefore lack the experience necessary to develop a comprehensive understanding of the topic. That's not to say your partial understanding is not valid, it's just incomplete. Not only am I adopted (thus not "wanted"), but neither of my children were planned and my wife and I initially couldn't agree. From my real world experience, and not speculation, it on…

I don't have your experience, nor do I really know what it's like, but here's a perspective I thought of after reading your post.

Your birth parents may not have wanted you, putting you for adoption. However, you were wanted in a different sense, chosen for adoption by whomever adopted you.

-shrugs- Don't know what point I wanted to make, just a thought

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Post by thraway2016 »

nailer wrote: post #95
frandroid wrote: post #44

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Promiscuous people should be using condoms at all times, first of all.

If your sperm is a meal ticket for life, then condoms might not be enough. And condoms decrease the pleasure of sex for many people.

In the US, the meal ticket typically only lasts 18 years, not a lifetime.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by StavrosK »

adrianN wrote: post #60
k-mcgrady wrote: post #50

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Could you explain this further? I don't quite understand.

Poor people are typically less educated and (I guess) are not as well informed about STDs as more affluent people. In countries without a proper healthcare system they are probably also less likely to get STDs treated. Unwanted children are typically not good for getting out of poverty.

Free contraceptive injections (and reversals that cost a bit) sounds like a great plan for improving quality of life for humanity, actually.
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