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New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by MichaelGG »

mohaine wrote: post #67
MichaelGG wrote: post #59

Testosterone will also do this. There are long release esters so you only need an injection every few months. Even with a bimonthly shot, it costs about $10/mo. (On mobile, but there was a study in China with T undecanoate showing amazing effectiveness.) Downside is that in the US, testosterone is, hilariously, Schedule III. But 5 minutes with Google should have you sorted. Can get OTC in other places.

No thanks. No way I'm offsetting the cost/work of having a child vs the reliability of a Hackernews doctor and a Googled drug source.

... Obviously my comment was meant as a suggestion to look into things and note the availability of a well known substance that already accomplished birth control in men. It wasn't intended as a "read this comment and start injecting yourself".

You're of course free to attempt to convince a doctor to prescribe. Or you can buy the drugs and get a $100 blood test to verify it's real as well as do a fertility test. It's just an affront to liberty to pay a gatekeeper to allow you to change your own hormones.

Here's a study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15126550

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by aianus »

Ntrails wrote: post #72
duopixel wrote: post #37

Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.

I find it inconceivable that you'd want to encourage high risk of stds by advocating something that only prevents pregnancy

Children are worse than the worst STD. You can live a pretty normal life with HIV, Syphilis, herpes, etc.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by pjc50 »

nvahalik wrote: post #89
duopixel wrote: post #37

Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.

Indeed, the cultural "importance" will be revealed in time. However, I fear not in the way you intend. There used to be a time when we as a society valued things like self-control, discipline, and tradition. No more. What you are alluding to here is a world where we are ruled by our emotions and our basest desires without the fear or potential for having to deal with our actions. To divorce sex from children is to mi…

Marie Stopes would like a word with you from beyond the grave.

Seriously, we've had modern birth control for a century. Not only has society not collapsed but a whole number of hidden evils have been abolished (Tuam passim), and needless poverty avoided. It's our perfect anti-Malthusian weapon.

This is Hacker News in the 21st century. Tradition alone is a terrible reason to do things. I'm astonished that your comment seems to have been upvoted here.

Edit: I'm trying to keep it civil but I'm really disappointed not just that this appears on HN but it's sitting at the top of its thread tree not greyed out at the bottom.

Oh, and it's "alluding" not "eluding".

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by nommm-nommm »

pdelbarba wrote: post #92
nvahalik wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, the cultural "importance" will be revealed in time. However, I fear not in the way you intend. There used to be a time when we as a society valued things like self-control, discipline, and tradition. No more. What you are alluding to here is a world where we are ruled by our emotions and our basest desires without the fear or potential for having to deal with our actions. To divorce sex from children is to mi…

This is the same argument that was made when the pill came about.

As well as Gardasil. A vaccine that friggin prevents cancer is somehow controversial! What the actual fuck?!

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by [deleted] »

and0 wrote: post #97
nvahalik wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, the cultural "importance" will be revealed in time. However, I fear not in the way you intend. There used to be a time when we as a society valued things like self-control, discipline, and tradition. No more. What you are alluding to here is a world where we are ruled by our emotions and our basest desires without the fear or potential for having to deal with our actions. To divorce sex from children is to mi…

A million times no to everything you just said.

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Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by stronglikedan »

nvahalik wrote: post #89
duopixel wrote: post #37

Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.

Indeed, the cultural "importance" will be revealed in time. However, I fear not in the way you intend. There used to be a time when we as a society valued things like self-control, discipline, and tradition. No more. What you are alluding to here is a world where we are ruled by our emotions and our basest desires without the fear or potential for having to deal with our actions. To divorce sex from children is to mi…

Nah, sex is for pleasure or for children (and pleasure), depending on how you practice it. Self-control is still very much valued (at least in my society). The self-control bit is using the available contraceptives when you're only having sex for pleasure.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by random_rr »

aianus wrote: post #105
jlebrech wrote: post #12

I thought it was going to be a pill, we already have vasectomies.

They will not give you a vasectomy in the US as a young childless man. Something about 'changing your mind later'. It's very patronizing.

Have you tried? I got one fairly easily at the age of 22. I was actually armed to the teeth with debates and arguments for my doctor, but when I asked him to perform it, he shrugged and said "Okay, I can fit you in two weeks from now"

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by Nagyman »

nvahalik wrote: post #89
duopixel wrote: post #37

Should I have children, I see myself walking my teenage son to the clinic to get this done. A rite of passage of sorts. It is difficult to understate the importance of bringing only wanted children into this world, and that both parents agree on it. The cultural importance of this invention will be revealed in time, I hope.

Indeed, the cultural "importance" will be revealed in time. However, I fear not in the way you intend. There used to be a time when we as a society valued things like self-control, discipline, and tradition. No more. What you are alluding to here is a world where we are ruled by our emotions and our basest desires without the fear or potential for having to deal with our actions. To divorce sex from children is to mi…

Are you trolling?

Many people do not want a family. We have a sizeable population problem and many unwanted children are already born into poor conditions.

Safe sex is important, but "self-control", implying denying oneself sex, is a choice you can make, but certainly most would not. The "tradition" in the past was (still is in many places) patriarchal oppression and to expect or TAKE sex, forcefully if necessary. Colour me unimpressed by tradition.

Re: New male contraceptive may be submitted for Indian approval this year

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Post by gum_ina_package »

pjc50 wrote: post #103
nvahalik wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, the cultural "importance" will be revealed in time. However, I fear not in the way you intend. There used to be a time when we as a society valued things like self-control, discipline, and tradition. No more. What you are alluding to here is a world where we are ruled by our emotions and our basest desires without the fear or potential for having to deal with our actions. To divorce sex from children is to mi…

Marie Stopes would like a word with you from beyond the grave. Seriously, we've had modern birth control for a century. Not only has society not collapsed but a whole number of hidden evils have been abolished (Tuam passim), and needless poverty avoided. It's our perfect anti-Malthusian weapon. This is Hacker News in the 21st century. Tradition alone is a terrible reason to do things. I'm astonished that your comment…

Sure society hasn't collapsed, but we've lost a lot all in the name of "progress".
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