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Re: Sex and Gor and open source

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Post by mcphage »

tptacek wrote: post #40
mcphage wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which claim are you objecting to? That people attempted to get him disinvited? That people pushed LambdaConf's sponsors to pull out? That people pushed LambdaConf's speakers to pull out? That people encouraged LambdaConf's attendees to switch to MoonConf? Calling that "attempting to get LambdaConf cancelled" doesn't seem particularly lurid, especially not compared to things like "You chose to die on this hill."

Again, all you're doing is rattling off a description of a boycott.

Right, which is why I'm confused that you objected to it.

Re: Sex and Gor and open source

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Post by aries1980 »

di4na wrote: post #17
tptacek wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear: the claim here --- not that you'd know it from the article --- is that proselytizing was in fact an issue.

Well proselytising what ? Because once again, the fact he plays as a Gorean master does not mean he believes women to be subhuman. This tends to be the problem with most of these things. But in any case we really lack information here.

Regardless what he believes, whether it is in line with the mainstream western values or not, it hurts the inclusion and tolerance to expel members based on that. One's taste, political views (regardless how extreme it is) should not be a subject of investigation in a professional community.

Re: Sex and Gor and open source

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Post by aries1980 »

mgbmtl wrote: post #30
tnones wrote: post #19

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It is both notable and unsurprising that the Drupal code of conduct [1] makes zero mention of any of the topics in this debate. Nothing about sexuality, nothing about feminism, or equality, ... Yet every discussion about this immediately turns to gender politics. I think this shows the duplicitous nature of COCs: no matter what the letter says, the intent, as understood by nearly everyone, is to apply it to filter by…

> Nothing about sexuality, nothing about feminism, or equality, [...] From the DCOC: "The Drupal community and its members treat one another with respect." > When it comes to Drupal, the only gender problem it has is the people who keep manufacturing major incidents out of minor slights [...] I don't know for Drupal, but gender is an issue in most computer-science related fields, I doubt that Drupal is immune to this…

> “The Drupal community and its members treat one another with respect.”

Frankly, the DCOC is vague. If we want to kick out people with a reference to the DCOC, we have to define with mathematical precision what is “respect”, “poor manners”, “people outside the Drupal project”.

> I don't know for Drupal, but gender is an issue in most computer-science related fields, I doubt that Drupal is immune to this. Free Software has a lower % of women involved than computer science in general. In any case, until there is near parity, there is a gender problem.

You can always find an aspect which is underrepresented. Gender, ethnicity, solved tickets, religion, eye colour… Can we just focus on getting things done and being a welcoming toward everyone who would like to donate free time until that person does not restrict others to do so?

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