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UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by chillydawg »

adnam wrote: post #24
ealexhudson wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't have the option per se: it can ask to abort it, and it can do so with the agreement of the 27. Also, the 27 can agree to a date far off in the future (it doesn't have to be two years). It seems staggeringly unlikely that they would allow us to abort without a major change in relationship, though, and politically things would need to get extremely difficult for the UK for that to become palatable. All the e…

What is the precise source for the statement "it can [abort the process] with the agreement of the 27"? It's not in Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.

The 27 member states may do anything relating to the EU as they may simply change the rules. Including extending the negotiating period.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by bontoJR »

ealexhudson wrote: post #3

I'm a big believer in not having assumptions and testing things with actual experiments. This is one experiment I'd rather not be participating in, though. It's difficult to see very much positive about this move; certainly there will be some benefits, but I expect greatly outweighed by the negatives (which will include higher prices, lower employment and probably lower standards for UK workers - the EU has consisten…

These are pretty much the same forecasts Switzerland and Norway were supposed to face when they rejected to join the EU... people losing jobs, Swiss Franc falling, export collapsing, etc... well, it went a little bit in a different way.

OFC leaving is totally a different thing from not being in at all, but still... there are going to be pro and cons, but the economy will adapt as happened in Switzerland and Norway. Some will gain, some will lose, but the general picture can be valid only in 3-5 years after the Kingdom is out, so not before 2022.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by coldtea »

>As Article 50 is triggered today, many European expats in Britain, as well as European-minded locals, are packing up, moving on or eyeing up their options. Brexit brain drain could spell disaster for industries like technology already facing shortages of skilled talent.

Sorry, what about the brain drain when those "European expats" came from their countries into the UK?

Or that doesn't matter because it was all "within EU" anyway?

Still, UK hadn't paid for their education and other benefits while they were growing up in their native countries, and their native countries didn't get taxes from those people while they were living in the UK.

And those countries would also like to have their scientists etc stay and work there to improve the country's industry and economy.

Brain drain works both ways. You can't lament brain drain from an economy that actually caused brain drain, and now those brains leave it.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by lhopki01 »

nickpeterson wrote: post #28
dijit wrote: post #4

I'm British but live in the EU. I've been watching this from the outside and it makes me so very sad and despondent. Forgetting any inconvenience on my part (of which there are very few -I likely have access to an EU passport.). It's fucking stupid. No ifs, no buts, no apologies and respecting of alternate opinions. Just fucking stupid. Every single reason for leaving (other than "leave so the EU can get on without U…

Look at the bright side, I live in the US where our president and his staff are quite literally morons.

The US will have the chance to make a different decision in 4 years and then again in 4 years after that. The UK will not.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by jdiez17 »

topbanana wrote: post #33
gambiting wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not British but I live in the UK - I have based my entire life here, family, house, job, car, everything - and a year ago, I would have never considered leaving, this is my home. But right now, I'm weighting my options. I'm a huge believer in the European Union, so why would I want to live in a country that's not in it? And increasingly, I think the answer is - I wouldn't. So although I haven't started packing ye…

Getting a visa isn't so onerous is it? Compared with the hassle of upping your roots and moving your family?

I can't speak for gambiting, but I'm also going to leave the UK as a direct consequence of Brexit. It's not that it would be impossible to get some visa if I really wanted, it's that revoking the freedom of movement sends a strong signal that they don't want us here.

When I was choosing where I'd go for university, the UK wouldn't have even made the shortlist if moving here was even slightly more inconvenient than just walking in. The only thing the UK had going for it is that I already knew the language. There are plenty of other places in Europe where skilled labour is in demand.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by SirHound »

wayn3 wrote: post #43
topbanana wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting a visa isn't so onerous is it? Compared with the hassle of upping your roots and moving your family?

its just an instance of the classic overly emotional "these people dont want me here so fuck them, who are they to ask me to acquire a formality". OP could just as well seek naturalization if hes actually spent his entire life there.

He was naturalised.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by OJFord »

mmjaa wrote: post #22
adnam wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had plenty of conflict while part of the EU: the Falklands, Iraq, the IRA, Bosnia for example. It wasn't nationalism which caused conflicts in Europe, it was a lack of democracy.

Falklands happened "because of the EU"? Thats news to me. I thought it happened because the UK needs the oil reserves to prop up its broken economy.

> "because of the EU"

Weird you put that in quotes, because the only even remotely similar quotation of GP's I can find is "while part of the EU"...

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by sammorrowdrums »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #38
ealexhudson wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm formally getting EU citizenship (which I'm lucky enough to be entitled to as a citizen of Ireland). There is going to be increased demand for this, particularly as people realise that there is going to be a hard border (which seems inevitable, given the statements on freedom of movement). I won't actually move, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of personal and small businesses move in exactly the way you're su…

The letter specifically calls for ensuring there is no hard border.

It's virtually impossible to have tight and effective immigration controls, and open EU border. Also if UK ever passes laws that allow produce with EU import restrictions to be available it will mean hard customs border too... NI is at a genuine risk of crisis, or soft Brexit.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by dragonwriter »

adnam wrote: post #24
ealexhudson wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't have the option per se: it can ask to abort it, and it can do so with the agreement of the 27. Also, the 27 can agree to a date far off in the future (it doesn't have to be two years). It seems staggeringly unlikely that they would allow us to abort without a major change in relationship, though, and politically things would need to get extremely difficult for the UK for that to become palatable. All the e…

What is the precise source for the statement "it can [abort the process] with the agreement of the 27"? It's not in Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.

There is no restriction anywhere on the content or effect of the agreement reached under Article 50, so in principle the exit terms could be readmission, which is equivalent to aborting the process by universal agreement (it could also be to extend the term for which they are still in the EU pending exit indefinitely, with the same effect.)

Once Article 50 is triggered, there are two possibilities: either they are out with no special status in two years because no other agreement is reached before that time, or some agreement is reached within two years which gives some other terms, which terms are nowhere restricted.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by mpweiher »

fredley wrote: post #49
mmjaa wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Falklands happened "because of the EU"? Thats news to me. I thought it happened because the UK needs the oil reserves to prop up its broken economy.

If anything, the existence of the EU almost certainly prevented things getting worse. While British warships were busy heading down to reclaim the Falklands, Spain was on the verge of invading Gibraltar...

Citation needed? All I could find was that Argentina had plans to sink ships in Gibraltar.
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