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UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by AndrewOMartin »

HenryBemis wrote: post #15
Two9A wrote: post #5

Are British HN'ers taking any mitigating steps due to this whole situation? I'm currently in the process of incorporating in the Netherlands, and it turns out setting up a Ltd is a lot more expensive over there than in the UK. I just don't feel that the UK will make good use of my tax receipts any more, so I'm almost obligated to take my work elsewhere.

EU Citizen here, living in the UK or "wherever I may roam". I have my Ltd in the UK. I am sticking to the UK for the time being, and will keep a close eye at: 1) Tax scheme/calculations for dividends. 2) Ability to transfer money in & out and at what cost (in the extreme case of Capital Controls or limiting transfers abroad). 3) Exchange Rate of GBP against EUR, USD, and a couple more so I make sure that my payments…

Do let us know if the GBP ever tumbles against the EUR or USD.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by pricechild »

dijit wrote: post #26
s_kilk wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it? I thought Article 50 was very much a 'hand grenade', once the pin is out there's no going back. If the two years run out without an agreement being reached, doesn't the UK just get chucked out and revert to WTO rules?

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/eu-brexit-resolution-artic... Says "leaked document"

> "subject to conditions set by all EU27 so they cannot be used as a procedural device or abused in an attempt to improve the actual terms of the United Kingdom's membership."

Is an interesting quote. It implies that everyone has to be in agreement? So one country could veto our remaining?

I'm assuming any remaining being agreed would also be subject to us losing special privileges we enjoyed yesterday.

Who knows what the final process will be following negotiations & interpretations.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by wayn3 »

topbanana wrote: post #33
gambiting wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not British but I live in the UK - I have based my entire life here, family, house, job, car, everything - and a year ago, I would have never considered leaving, this is my home. But right now, I'm weighting my options. I'm a huge believer in the European Union, so why would I want to live in a country that's not in it? And increasingly, I think the answer is - I wouldn't. So although I haven't started packing ye…

Getting a visa isn't so onerous is it? Compared with the hassle of upping your roots and moving your family?

its just an instance of the classic overly emotional "these people dont want me here so fuck them, who are they to ask me to acquire a formality".

OP could just as well seek naturalization if hes actually spent his entire life there.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by lhopki01 »

redsummer wrote: post #8

Great news. Of the four happiest countries in the world, three are European countries outside the EU. Autonomy is crucial to happiness.

It's worth noting that all three of those countries are either in the EEA or have similar agreements. That means they're following EU rules without having a say in them. I'm not sure why you think they have more autonomy.

Additionally if you want to selectively quote statistics I can just come back with 4 out of the top 10 are EU nations. 7 out of the top 10 have to follow EU rules.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by csmattryder »

te_chris wrote: post #6

Today is the day that David Cameron's legacy is solidified: The hubristic toff who saw his nation as a play thing.

He gambled 64 million people's livelihoods to defend his party against another, that right now, doesn't even have a sitting MP (for those outside the UK, that's the UK Independence Party).

There's tables at Vegas that haven't seen that level of loss.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by Garvey »

mmjaa wrote: post #22
adnam wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had plenty of conflict while part of the EU: the Falklands, Iraq, the IRA, Bosnia for example. It wasn't nationalism which caused conflicts in Europe, it was a lack of democracy.

Falklands happened "because of the EU"? Thats news to me. I thought it happened because the UK needs the oil reserves to prop up its broken economy.

No, they were simply saying that being part of the E.U didn't preclude conflict.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by cs02rm0 »

Two9A wrote: post #5

Are British HN'ers taking any mitigating steps due to this whole situation? I'm currently in the process of incorporating in the Netherlands, and it turns out setting up a Ltd is a lot more expensive over there than in the UK. I just don't feel that the UK will make good use of my tax receipts any more, so I'm almost obligated to take my work elsewhere.

No, I'm not. Not sure why you'd feel the UK would make less good use of your tax receipts.

UK corporation tax is on the way down. It'd be higher in NL anyway than in the UK. Enjoy the cheaper rates and if you really feel obligated, give the surplus direct to whatever cause you want. I doubt going via the EU is the most efficient way of doing that.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by themihai »

adnam wrote: post #11
djaychela wrote: post #2

I sincerely hope that today (and obviously the day it actually happens) isn't something that I look back on with sadness in the future. I live in the UK, and am really saddened by the way that politics is 'progressing' - in fact, regressing to a time where nationalism seems to be the voice, and one which I think will inevitably lead to conflict. Combined with the Trump situation in the USA, I am extremely pessimistic…

We had plenty of conflict while part of the EU: the Falklands, Iraq, the IRA, Bosnia for example. It wasn't nationalism which caused conflicts in Europe, it was a lack of democracy.

Well, you didn't see a war between Germany and England though... Bosnia, Iraq etc were not part of the EU. The point was to create a closely integrated Europe so that war would become unthinkable just like a war between England and Scotland is unthinkable now. Of course it was nationalism which caused conflicts in Europe. Did democracy prevent Russia to invade Ukraine? UK simply decided the European project is not worth it and they are better off trading as an independent country than part of a european family. This may prove true but we will have to see and for how long. If the EU reforms and sticks together I fail to see how leaving it is a good choice. I hope this will make EU stronger and more competitive as UK will force their hand to do more.

Re: UK triggers the official Brexit process in a letter to EU

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Post by fredley »

mmjaa wrote: post #22
adnam wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had plenty of conflict while part of the EU: the Falklands, Iraq, the IRA, Bosnia for example. It wasn't nationalism which caused conflicts in Europe, it was a lack of democracy.

Falklands happened "because of the EU"? Thats news to me. I thought it happened because the UK needs the oil reserves to prop up its broken economy.

If anything, the existence of the EU almost certainly prevented things getting worse. While British warships were busy heading down to reclaim the Falklands, Spain was on the verge of invading Gibraltar...
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