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Re: Mega Man for TempleOS

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Post by dajohnson89 »

panglott wrote: post #136
dajohnson89 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's worth being specific here -- he uses the word "nigger" frequently and regularly makes other nasty comments about black people and other minorities.

When I've seen his website in the past, the crazy religious stuff has always been there, which I can look past, but now it seems like the crazy racist stuff is way way more prominent, which I just cannot.

Completely agreed. I understand that he's mentally ill, and I wish him all the best in that regard. But I can't help but see him as just another racist hick. Super cool project he has, but I want nothing to do with him or anything he works on.

Re: Mega Man for TempleOS

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Post by badminton1 »

pekk wrote: post #130
badminton1 wrote: post #66

TempleOS is a very interesting OS with many original innovations, as mentioned in the "constructive review of TempleOS" (which you can look up). However it is a ring 0 only OS, with all the consequences that implies. You can make irreversible mistakes in this way, especially outside a VM. Other OSes worth looking into are: - Redox OS (Rust) - MenuetOS / KolibriOS (x86-64 Assembly) - Haiku OS - GNU Hurd

Did you pay attention to what TempleOS is for? Do you know what it was like to program for the C64? It is ring 0 only on purpose! That's the whole point! The idea that someone would go into a thread about TempleOS, trash TempleOS for one of its central and distinguishing features, and then use the thread as an opportunity to promote some new OS written in Rust is boggling my mind.

Well that's one aspect of TempleOS that appeals to some and that is fine.

But you an also appreciate TempleOS from other perspectives such as how HolyC is compiled, dynamic documentation, etc.

Re: Mega Man for TempleOS

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Post by ng12 »

dajohnson89 wrote: post #141
panglott wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I've seen his website in the past, the crazy religious stuff has always been there, which I can look past, but now it seems like the crazy racist stuff is way way more prominent, which I just cannot.

Completely agreed. I understand that he's mentally ill, and I wish him all the best in that regard. But I can't help but see him as just another racist hick. Super cool project he has, but I want nothing to do with him or anything he works on.

Do you understand what schizophrenia entails? If it makes you uncomfortable that's one thing, belittling him as a "racist hick" is another.

Re: Mega Man for TempleOS

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Post by Pica_soO »

dajohnson89 wrote: post #141
panglott wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I've seen his website in the past, the crazy religious stuff has always been there, which I can look past, but now it seems like the crazy racist stuff is way way more prominent, which I just cannot.

Completely agreed. I understand that he's mentally ill, and I wish him all the best in that regard. But I can't help but see him as just another racist hick. Super cool project he has, but I want nothing to do with him or anything he works on.

If you are a mental outlier, the village can agree on torching the next time, somebody must be put on a stake- it might be a good survival strategy, to vent the anger towards a minorities group that is not you. In particular, if you are all ready paranoid anyway, meaning, you basically have a conspiracy theory for anyone you meet.

Re: Mega Man for TempleOS

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Post by abrookewood »

pekk wrote: post #128
abrookewood wrote: post #21

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Holy cow ... The OS is such a strange mix of impressive feats and crazy conventions.

640x480 isn't a crazy convention at all when you understand what is required to interface with the display hardware and you remember the goals of TempleOS. He wanted to recapture transparency of the C64 system in a 64-bit system. It's pretty clear Terry didn't want to spend all his time writing vendor-specific device drivers and painful workaround cruft. This also applies to things like the RedSea filesystem and the…

Yes, that's a good point. He just expresses it in a rather unusual way.

Re: Mega Man for TempleOS

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Post by tracker1 »

udkl wrote: post #68
largeprime wrote: post #67

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as an incredibly lazy person i found it to be helpful

You logged out, signed up for a temp account and then logged back in - just to post this comment. That IS incredibly lazy ;)

Wasn't me. (far too lazy for that)

Re: Mega Man for TempleOS

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Post by cr0sh »

pekk wrote: post #128
abrookewood wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holy cow ... The OS is such a strange mix of impressive feats and crazy conventions.

640x480 isn't a crazy convention at all when you understand what is required to interface with the display hardware and you remember the goals of TempleOS. He wanted to recapture transparency of the C64 system in a 64-bit system. It's pretty clear Terry didn't want to spend all his time writing vendor-specific device drivers and painful workaround cruft. This also applies to things like the RedSea filesystem and the…

It's his OS - but it would've been nice for games and other things if he had added Mode 13h to the mix - at least fullscreen only - for games mainly. That or ModeX - just something with 256 colors. Heck - he could have added some of the more common VESA modes for that matter.

I was looking thru the source to find the graphics init routines, and I am pretty sure I found it (well - once - probably couldn't locate quickly again) - the thing is such a convoluted mess, and I am not sure how much of that is due to it being an OS and how much of it is due to his style and illness?

At any rate, I think it would be possible to hack this stuff in place (mainly mode 13h - as it's the simplest, and doesn't require much to code for). I think it also needs a way to use the parallel port - mainly for a simple parallel port sound card, if nothing else. Interestingly, if you dig into the various source code examples and such, you'll find a bit about a "HD Audio" system (which looks like a soundblaster interface, if I remember my DOS hacking days) as well as a couple of bits of code for manipulating USB devices (he already supports keyboard and mouse in legacy mode, but nothing else).

Honestly - in spite of his various racist rants and views - this code is begging to be cleaned up and expanded just a bit (it's public domain - so there's nothing he could do or say about it). Overall, it is fairly accessible - just a few other tweaks could make it perfect, IMHO.

Re: Mega Man for TempleOS

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Post by dajohnson89 »

Pica_soO wrote: post #144
dajohnson89 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely agreed. I understand that he's mentally ill, and I wish him all the best in that regard. But I can't help but see him as just another racist hick. Super cool project he has, but I want nothing to do with him or anything he works on.

If you are a mental outlier, the village can agree on torching the next time, somebody must be put on a stake- it might be a good survival strategy, to vent the anger towards a minorities group that is not you. In particular, if you are all ready paranoid anyway, meaning, you basically have a conspiracy theory for anyone you meet.

That was a very vague and meandering allegory, but I think I hear what you're saying. I'm not gonna respond to it, but if you wish to call me a paranoid witch-hunter please just go ahead and do so next time.

Put yourself in the shoes of a jew or black person and watch some of his streams. Then revisit the comments for this story and how they all gush over his unique cool project and wave away his vehement racism as just an unfortunate detail.

Go a little bit further from the curated and (somewhat) tolerant atmosphere of HN, and you'll see Owens' hateful speech being parroted, and being used to legitimatize the promulgation of the already massive undercurrent of racism that lurks in almost every corner of Internet culture.

I hate to confirm Godwin's law, but -- Hitler was also schizophrenic. Seeing an obviously ill person suffer from disease is sad, but it's even sadder to see the social disease of racism so ubiquitous and widely tolerated.

And just in case you really do think I'm "looking for" examples of racism --just last night I joined an IRC channel about my city (DC) to meet people. I had to leave because I heard "nigger" and "brown people get out" one too many times for comfort.

Re: Mega Man for TempleOS

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Post by dajohnson89 »

ng12 wrote: post #143
dajohnson89 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely agreed. I understand that he's mentally ill, and I wish him all the best in that regard. But I can't help but see him as just another racist hick. Super cool project he has, but I want nothing to do with him or anything he works on.

Do you understand what schizophrenia entails? If it makes you uncomfortable that's one thing, belittling him as a "racist hick" is another.

See my post below.

He is a racist hick, who happens to be ill. If that's "another" thing, then so be it. Don't really care which came first. I will not let racists duck undercover of his illness. I stop short of being genuinely​ upset at him, but hate speech is hate speech. Since he has a large-ish audience, his ideas are becoming part of culture. Agree with him or defend him or apologize for his racism all you wish -- you are kinda/sorta part of the problem.

Re: Mega Man for TempleOS

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Post by ng12 »

dajohnson89 wrote: post #149
ng12 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you understand what schizophrenia entails? If it makes you uncomfortable that's one thing, belittling him as a "racist hick" is another.

See my post below. He is a racist hick, who happens to be ill. If that's "another" thing, then so be it. Don't really care which came first. I will not let racists duck undercover of his illness. I stop short of being genuinely​ upset at him, but hate speech is hate speech. Since he has a large-ish audience, his ideas are becoming part of culture. Agree with him or defend him or apologize for his racism all you wish…

What an absolutely absurd opinion. I really don't think you appreciate the manifestation of schizophrenia. Would you feel the same about someone suffering from Tourette's for swearing in front of a child?

The guy believes lots of crazy things: men in suits are after him, aliens put things in his body, that he has conversations with god about music, etc. He translates random number generators into ASCII attempting to divine messages from god. He writes long-winded nonsensical rants jumping from detailed technical dissertations to rambling about old war movies. Schizophrenia literally means "split mind" -- ideas, concepts, hallucinations attack his brain and he has no basis for dispelling which are grounded in reality and which are not. It's the biological equivalent of radio interference or a loose wire.

A large chunk of the things he writes are unintelligible. Yes, people focus on his work, because it's pretty amazing that somebody suffering so profoundly from an illness can do such interesting (and esoteric) work. The fact that a subset of his schizophrenic attacks include racist language is something I feel sad, not angry about.

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