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Re: Is fat killing you, or is sugar?

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Post by abandonliberty » Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 9:53 PM UTC

LyndsySimon wrote: post #5

I moved to a ketogenic diet on January 9th of this year. I weighed 318 pounds. As of this morning I weigh 282 pounds. That's 36 pounds lost - 11.3% of my body mass - in 77 days, and I have not yet changed my nearly non-existent exercise habits. My goal is to get 80% of my calories from fat, no more than 20% from protein, and to consume a maximum of 20g of carbs per day. I intend for this to be my diet going forward;…

Most people have no idea what 20 grams of carbs looks like. The number of people who have said 'me too' when I discussed a low carb/keto diet is huge, and they usually mean 'I try to avoid sugar'.

A can of coke has double the daily allotment of carbs.

You quickly realize how devoid of nutrition modern processed food is.

Low-carb vegetables are usually around 5% carbs. Fruits 10%. A single 10g square of 90% dark chocolate, 2gr. Quinoa, 20%. Yams, 24%.

Think about that. If you ate no other vegetables or fruits, 100 grams/3oz of quinoa supplies all the carbs allotted.

I'm sure much of the benefit from keto is forcing you to eat less processed, nutrient dense food.

Re: Is fat killing you, or is sugar?

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Post by Overtonwindow » Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 9:58 PM UTC

I don't know if it's fat or sugar that's killing us. I lost 50 pounds just eating balanced, healthy, nutritious meals. I reduce my sugar intake but didn't eliminate it. In fact I stuck to my twice weekly energy drinks and occasional candy bars and milkshakes. However my meals were regimented to include protein, vegetables, very rarely bread, rarely cheese, stopped drinking milk, and cooked everything at home from scratch. Less eating out. The only thing I truly eliminated from my diet was packaged foods, and highly processed meals in a box. So no more Cheeseburger Macaroni. So really, maybe, it's not sugar and fat, it may just be the highly processed cheap foods, microwaved stuff, etc.

Re: Is fat killing you, or is sugar?

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 10:05 PM UTC

Overtonwindow wrote: post #12

I don't know if it's fat or sugar that's killing us. I lost 50 pounds just eating balanced, healthy, nutritious meals. I reduce my sugar intake but didn't eliminate it. In fact I stuck to my twice weekly energy drinks and occasional candy bars and milkshakes. However my meals were regimented to include protein, vegetables, very rarely bread, rarely cheese, stopped drinking milk, and cooked everything at home from scr…

Is eating out really that bad? Restaurants cook so much better than me. I know fast food is bad, but a salad or steak? Don't make me give up my restaurants!

Re: Is fat killing you, or is sugar?

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Post by justboxing » Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 10:05 PM UTC

Overtonwindow wrote: post #12

I don't know if it's fat or sugar that's killing us. I lost 50 pounds just eating balanced, healthy, nutritious meals. I reduce my sugar intake but didn't eliminate it. In fact I stuck to my twice weekly energy drinks and occasional candy bars and milkshakes. However my meals were regimented to include protein, vegetables, very rarely bread, rarely cheese, stopped drinking milk, and cooked everything at home from scr…

> However my meals were regimented to include protein, vegetables

Curious. plant-based protein or animal protein?

Re: Is fat killing you, or is sugar?

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Post by justboxing » Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 10:09 PM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #13

Overtonwindow wrote: post #12

I don't know if it's fat or sugar that's killing us. I lost 50 pounds just eating balanced, healthy, nutritious meals. I reduce my sugar intake but didn't eliminate it. In fact I stuck to my twice weekly energy drinks and occasional candy bars and milkshakes. However my meals were regimented to include protein, vegetables, very rarely bread, rarely cheese, stopped drinking milk, and cooked everything at home from scr…

Is eating out really that bad? Restaurants cook so much better than me. I know fast food is bad, but a salad or steak? Don't make me give up my restaurants!

> Restaurants cook so much better than me.

It depends on what you mean by 'better'. Taste better, or nutritiously better.

My friend here in San Francisco runs a Pakistani-"Indian" restaurant on Jackson St, and during Christmas week I helped him out in the kitchen as his staff was thin (just moving food in and out to customers' tables, taking back dishes etc, no cooking)

This may not be the case at all restaurants, but I was pretty horrified at how the average restaurant around the corner operates. They put loads of salt, cream and butter in everything. Vegetables and meats are purchased in bulk from restaurant supply stores and are rarely fresh. If a customer didn't like an entree, they'd just make a new one with more salt, cream (if applicable) and butter. They have 4.5 star average reviews on YELP. Always packed on lunch hour and evenings during the week.

In his (Owner / my friend's )own words "Anything can be made to taste great if you throw in salt and butter".

Some Indian restaurant use oil and a dash of butter even in their Basmati rice!

Re: Is fat killing you, or is sugar?

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 10:35 PM UTC

justboxing wrote: post #15

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is eating out really that bad? Restaurants cook so much better than me. I know fast food is bad, but a salad or steak? Don't make me give up my restaurants!

> Restaurants cook so much better than me. It depends on what you mean by 'better'. Taste better, or nutritiously better. My friend here in San Francisco runs a Pakistani-"Indian" restaurant on Jackson St, and during Christmas week I helped him out in the kitchen as his staff was thin (just moving food in and out to customers' tables, taking back dishes etc, no cooking) This may not be the case at all restaurants, bu…

Still, not talking carbs or sugar right? The old 'fats are bad' and 'salt is bad' legend dies hard. They are really our savior if moving from carbs to veg and meat.

Re: Is fat killing you, or is sugar?

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 11:14 PM UTC

Overtonwindow wrote: post #12

I don't know if it's fat or sugar that's killing us. I lost 50 pounds just eating balanced, healthy, nutritious meals. I reduce my sugar intake but didn't eliminate it. In fact I stuck to my twice weekly energy drinks and occasional candy bars and milkshakes. However my meals were regimented to include protein, vegetables, very rarely bread, rarely cheese, stopped drinking milk, and cooked everything at home from scr…

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Re: Is fat killing you, or is sugar?

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Post by Overtonwindow » Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 2:04 AM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #13

Overtonwindow wrote: post #12

I don't know if it's fat or sugar that's killing us. I lost 50 pounds just eating balanced, healthy, nutritious meals. I reduce my sugar intake but didn't eliminate it. In fact I stuck to my twice weekly energy drinks and occasional candy bars and milkshakes. However my meals were regimented to include protein, vegetables, very rarely bread, rarely cheese, stopped drinking milk, and cooked everything at home from scr…

Is eating out really that bad? Restaurants cook so much better than me. I know fast food is bad, but a salad or steak? Don't make me give up my restaurants!

I don't think restaurants are that good. Their mission is typically profit, not health. With enough salt, sugar, etc. they can make the food taste delicious, but that doesn't mean it's nutritious. Unless you're eating really fine dining, I think the vast majority of places, especially chains, are trying to sell the cheapest food they can for the most profit.

Re: Is fat killing you, or is sugar?

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Post by Overtonwindow » Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 2:05 AM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #16

justboxing wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Restaurants cook so much better than me. It depends on what you mean by 'better'. Taste better, or nutritiously better. My friend here in San Francisco runs a Pakistani-"Indian" restaurant on Jackson St, and during Christmas week I helped him out in the kitchen as his staff was thin (just moving food in and out to customers' tables, taking back dishes etc, no cooking) This may not be the case at all restaurants, bu…

Still, not talking carbs or sugar right? The old 'fats are bad' and 'salt is bad' legend dies hard. They are really our savior if moving from carbs to veg and meat.

Oh, animal, definitely animal.

Re: Is fat killing you, or is sugar?

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Post by kyriakos » Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 4:37 PM UTC

am8 wrote: post #10

LyndsySimon wrote: post #5

I moved to a ketogenic diet on January 9th of this year. I weighed 318 pounds. As of this morning I weigh 282 pounds. That's 36 pounds lost - 11.3% of my body mass - in 77 days, and I have not yet changed my nearly non-existent exercise habits. My goal is to get 80% of my calories from fat, no more than 20% from protein, and to consume a maximum of 20g of carbs per day. I intend for this to be my diet going forward;…

I was 255 in Jan now at 235lb by not eating cereal, bread, sweets, drinking sugary drinks etc. Seem to have stayed at 235 for a few weeks now so i'm guessing it's easier to lose the first lot of fat. Been going to a gym most days but then i'm a student so have the time in the middle of the day. It would have been difficult to go that much with a FT job. Went a bit far with the cardio and now have hurt knees so watch…

Question what do you have for breakfast now you quit cereal and bread? I mostly have cereal for breakfast mostly organic and less processed /sugary brands but I still feel I could do better.