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Re: Smokescreen - a Flash player written in Javascript and HTML5

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Why? Performance is worse and you're not "stickin" it to Adobe at all since you're still watching Flash content (SWF rendered in HTML5).

I'm not trying to "stick it". It's just an alternative to flash when the plugin is not available to you.

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Re: Smokescreen - a Flash player written in Javascript and HTML5

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The sad thing: the ads were coming anyway. If you build a popular platform like the iPad, the advertisers will find a way to get ads on it, whether it's with Flash or not. But by banning Flash, Apple is pushing advertisers to HTML/Javascript, which ruins the experience for those marginal, blissful few who use Flash blockers on other platforms. Really, you couldn't have asked for a better indicator, short of a mandato…

Hmmm... I wonder if we could build a bayesian filter for ad blocking rather than deal with explicit blacklists?

The question is not whether you can, but whether you should.

People who make things deserve to get paid. If you don't like what they make, fine, don't read it.

If you try and rip other people's content sponsors with a bayesian content classifier they'll be more likely to have subtler 'product placement' style sponsorship to avoid your ad ripper. They may also have things that appear as ads to your rip app that are required to navigate or read the site. However, rather than avoid a technical war, why not consider either going somewhere else or accepting that content you like is made by people who like being compensated for it?

Re: Smokescreen - a Flash player written in Javascript and HTML5

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Hmmm... I wonder if we could build a bayesian filter for ad blocking rather than deal with explicit blacklists?

The question is not whether you can, but whether you should. People who make things deserve to get paid. If you don't like what they make, fine, don't read it. If you try and rip other people's content sponsors with a bayesian content classifier they'll be more likely to have subtler 'product placement' style sponsorship to avoid your ad ripper. They may also have things that appear as ads to your rip app that are re…

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Re: Smokescreen - a Flash player written in Javascript and HTML5

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfmbZkqORX4 yes, it's all still being improved and the engines will be a lot faster in a few years, but how about first creating a true alternative, then start bashing flash. I don't mind getting rid of flash, but please, lets try to move forward with technology at the same time. Not two steps back, just to remove a competitor so we end up at the same point three years later...

well, that comment was not really related to smokescreen...just the general anti-flash movement.

Re: Smokescreen - a Flash player written in Javascript and HTML5

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Hmmm... I wonder if we could build a bayesian filter for ad blocking rather than deal with explicit blacklists?

The question is not whether you can, but whether you should. People who make things deserve to get paid. If you don't like what they make, fine, don't read it. If you try and rip other people's content sponsors with a bayesian content classifier they'll be more likely to have subtler 'product placement' style sponsorship to avoid your ad ripper. They may also have things that appear as ads to your rip app that are re…

I agree with your basic premise--that people deserve to get paid for providing me with value--but not with the mechanism of ads embedded in content.

A few reasons:

If the creator deserves to get paid, he can put up a pay wall and we can do business or I can go elsewhere. If that basic business model doesn't work, that is a strong hint that something is fundamentally broken about advertising.

Also, you pose it as giving me a choice of going elsewhere. How does that work when given a link on HN or in an email or whatever? On some sites, there's an ad right away and I can click a link to skip the ad, I can click "back," or I can look at the ad if it's interesting. Fine.

But if ads are embedded in content willy-nilly, I am blasted with them before I get to make the choice of whether to read the content. Again, there's something broken about the model if the content producer can't set up a simple gate where I can choose whether to do read their content+ads or go elsewhere.

Finally, ads in content are a deeply broken model. The reason Google is worth a zillion dollars is that ads at the moment of search are hitting me when I'm making a decision and they are providing value, even if they are biased. Ads in most types of content are hitting me when I'm not trying to make a decision.

There are some exceptions, and I'll bet they survive. An ad in StackOverflow for a programming tool that matches the answer to a question might work when I'm trying to solve a problem. If sites like that do a good job of working with ad networks to deliver the right ads, they might survive.

Almost all other content-based ads are going to continue to git shriller and shriller as they try to maximize dwindling attention. The attention is dwindling precisely because they are trying to work around a deeply broken interaction.

Re: Smokescreen - a Flash player written in Javascript and HTML5

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Hmmm... I wonder if we could build a bayesian filter for ad blocking rather than deal with explicit blacklists?

The question is not whether you can, but whether you should. People who make things deserve to get paid. If you don't like what they make, fine, don't read it. If you try and rip other people's content sponsors with a bayesian content classifier they'll be more likely to have subtler 'product placement' style sponsorship to avoid your ad ripper. They may also have things that appear as ads to your rip app that are re…

I don't think that people who use ad-blockers will hurt profit so much, because people like that are probably geeks and they generally don't pay attention to ads unless they are really interested in their content. So if your audience is geeky, you might want to find another revenue model.

Re: Smokescreen - a Flash player written in Javascript and HTML5

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I can't believe I've been downed because I found something smart.

We at Hacker News prefer comments that have valuable, thoughtful, substantial ideas contained in them. Your first comment expressed very little. It would have been better to simply upvote the thread; saying "smart" or "I agree" or "good idea" tells us nothing more than your vote would have. It makes for boring reading, and as such, it gets downvoted as a form of discouragement. Complaining about downvotes makes for e…

Thanks for your explanation. I honestly didn't think saying "smart" was a way to bored readers but if you guys say so, I take not of it.
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