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The AI Misinformation Epidemic

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Re: The AI Misinformation Epidemic

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Post by rimliu »

Banthum wrote: post #28
ExactoKnight wrote: post #26

The AI and Singularity hype irks me, because I'm genuinely in agreement with Peter Thiel's argument that technological progress is actually decelerating relative to how it was moving 60 years ago once you look beyond the advancements we have experienced in information technology and finance.

True that. 1880-1950 (70 years) took us from train-and-telegraph to jet-and-atom bomb. Horse and carriage was the top-tier tech for personal transportation in 1880, and they were just starting to understand that diseases are often caused by these little blobby creatures called germs. 1950-2020 (70 years) will take us much less distance. Almost everything we're developing seems to be about information processing. If y…

I still kind of cannot get over the fact that almost 45 years have passed since the last human walked on the Moon :(

Re: The AI Misinformation Epidemic

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TuringNYC wrote: post #48

Here is my annoyance with AI Hype: people seeking extra tailwinds pitch their startups as "ML companies" even with the most tangential usage of ML. It drowns out real ML companies. Most people cannot tell the difference. At a hackathon recently, someone pitched their app as an "ML-driven app" though the only ML in there was some 1-line language translation feature they were consuming off Watson REST services for a ta…

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Re: The AI Misinformation Epidemic

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Post by wolf84 »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #56
TuringNYC wrote: post #48

Here is my annoyance with AI Hype: people seeking extra tailwinds pitch their startups as "ML companies" even with the most tangential usage of ML. It drowns out real ML companies. Most people cannot tell the difference. At a hackathon recently, someone pitched their app as an "ML-driven app" though the only ML in there was some 1-line language translation feature they were consuming off Watson REST services for a ta…

Difficulty level 1: The only ML in there was some 1-line language translation feature they were consuming off Watson REST services for a tangential feature on their app Difficulty level 2: Self-trained CNN on a custom dataset using TensorFlow and changes to start/end layers on the NN Difficulty level 3: Custom rolled 12 layer CNN trained with with novel hand labeled data. How many people to you think know the differe…

I got tensorflow to analyze blutooth signals off a wireless controller.

talk about dreamland autoaim

Re: The AI Misinformation Epidemic

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Post by _pmf_ »

TuringNYC wrote: post #48

Here is my annoyance with AI Hype: people seeking extra tailwinds pitch their startups as "ML companies" even with the most tangential usage of ML. It drowns out real ML companies. Most people cannot tell the difference. At a hackathon recently, someone pitched their app as an "ML-driven app" though the only ML in there was some 1-line language translation feature they were consuming off Watson REST services for a ta…

> even with the most tangential usage of ML

What, basic linear regression is not cutting edge enough for you?

Re: The AI Misinformation Epidemic

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Post by prvnsmpth »

graycat wrote: post #57
unityByFreedom wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to time that kind of thing. Not worth it when you risk losing your shirt. You can lose an infinite amount of money shorting, whereas going long you might only lose all of what you put in.

Yup. But it may be that some people with enough information and time to watch the stock and relevant data on it literally second by second could make a killing. And some people might be in a position to influence the time of the turning point and stimulate an avalanche of a fall. Broadly, no way do I believe that many people, not even fleets, especially not individuals, will put up with the charging time of a battery…

> Broadly, no way do I believe that many people, not even fleets, especially not individuals, will put up with the charging time of a battery powered car. It's just so darned much more convenient to fill up a 20 gallon tank with gasoline.

This may not hold true in the near future. With charging stations capable of putting out 350kW, we will have drastically reduced charging times. [0]

> Finally, I'm guessing that Musk has had a lot of subsidies, and I have to guess that Trump will turn off that faucet.

Actually, Tesla doesn't lose much if ZEV credits go away... In fact, the way things stand, other auto manufacturers are able to fully monetize their ZEV credits, while Tesla only makes 50 cents on the dollar. [1]

[0] - https://electrek.co/2016/12/26/tesla-supercharger-v3-zev-cre...

[1] - http://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-trump-decision-on-e...

Re: The AI Misinformation Epidemic

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Post by wolf84 »

wolf84 wrote: post #63
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Difficulty level 1: The only ML in there was some 1-line language translation feature they were consuming off Watson REST services for a tangential feature on their app Difficulty level 2: Self-trained CNN on a custom dataset using TensorFlow and changes to start/end layers on the NN Difficulty level 3: Custom rolled 12 layer CNN trained with with novel hand labeled data. How many people to you think know the differe…

I got tensorflow to analyze blutooth signals off a wireless controller. talk about dreamland autoaim

you know, something like thumbs as a correlation

Re: The AI Misinformation Epidemic

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Post by jodrellblank »

wiz21c wrote: post #40
Banthum wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True that. 1880-1950 (70 years) took us from train-and-telegraph to jet-and-atom bomb. Horse and carriage was the top-tier tech for personal transportation in 1880, and they were just starting to understand that diseases are often caused by these little blobby creatures called germs. 1950-2020 (70 years) will take us much less distance. Almost everything we're developing seems to be about information processing. If y…

Yep. But... What could be better than a car, I mean the concept of "mechanized individual transportation". Same question with train "mechanized mass transportation". Sewer ? What could be better ? While any of these is "not perfect", it's tough (at least for me) to come with something conceptually better right now. And also, I think we have to rememeber that many of these were possible because of oil. So, I think tha…

No car? A world where you could walk to the things you need because they're close?

Cheap, safe, non-polluting, no maintenance car?

Self-driving, self-cleaning car?

Automated horse with roof and luggage compartment - no need for paved roads, muscles are quieter than engines?

Re: The AI Misinformation Epidemic

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Post by rickdg »

Fricken wrote: post #17

Welcome to the club. Now you know how Economists, healthcare professionals, skateboarders, basket weavers and anybody else whose domain knowledge runs deeper than the average joe's feels whenever their area of technical expertise becomes the subject du jour for the public at large.

Yeah, but my kid knows cyber.

Re: The AI Misinformation Epidemic

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Post by nostrademons »

lottin wrote: post #46
tempodox wrote: post #13

The epidemic starts with calling it “AI”.

Agreed, FI -for fake intelligence- would be more accurate :)

I think AI is accurate, but it's actually short for "aggregated intelligence". Most AI algorithms can't actually generate "intelligence" as we know it. Rather, they aggregate the intelligence of the humans who contributed to their training data, and then generalize it to situations where those humans are not present. If the humans are stupid (as we saw with Microsoft's Tay chatbot), the AI is going to be pretty stupid as well. If the humans are racist, the AI is going to be racist as well.
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