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Elon Musk’s Neuralink wants to boost the brain to keep up with AI

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Re: Elon Musk’s Neuralink wants to boost the brain to keep up with AI

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Post by adrianN »

btschaegg wrote: post #158
nradov wrote: post #156

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There's no free lunch when it comes to genetics. If it was possible to be a lot smarter without negative consequences then we probably would have evolved it already. Most likely there are some downsides such as increased risk of depression, autism, schizophrenia, etc.

Perhaps. Another explanation might be that it doesn't produce enough evolutionary advantages in the context of a human society. One could also argue that the medical advancements of the last 100 years or so have greatly reduced the evolutionary pressure created by "bodily weakness", and I'd imagine similar arguments could be made in the opposite direction when it comes to other factors (like the norms of a society an…

Those lines of research are usually shut down because of claims of racism. Researching genetic differences between different societies is frowned upon. There are for example people who claim that Jews tend to excel in science because historically they have been banned from many trades and retreated into more intellectual fields like banking.

Re: Elon Musk’s Neuralink wants to boost the brain to keep up with AI

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Post by XorNot »

erkkie wrote: post #144
erikpukinskis wrote: post #130

Musk is wrong that input bandwidth is a limiting factor in intelligence. We don't efficiently use the megapixel our phones show us, let alone the several megapixels on our laptops. Improving UIs will provide much more bang for the buck for many many decades to come. A neural lace is the equivalent of trying to increase the yield per square inch of the herbs in your window box when you have 100 acres of empty land aro…

Imagine thinking about something and having it appear on your brain interface HUD vs typing a google search on your phone and reading it from the screen. How is that not a bandwidth problem?

Wrong paradigm: imagine being able to have perfect recall of information you looked at once. Or being able to check point your active memories and recover that state of mind at will.

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Post by catenthusiast »

baq wrote: post #34
LeanderK wrote: post #24

forgive me if i am wrong, i don't know much about these matters. Just a quick thought. For me Elon Musks ventures seem a bit like angel-investors. Every company he founds has probability of making billions (car-company, rockets, tunnelling etc.), though they are also high risk. Of course he can't spread his risk as broad as a investor. But while risky, every venture seems to be very calculated, the opposite of crazy.…

he needs the money, but he doesn't want it. he's not playing the business game for the game's sake, he wants to advance civilization and the best way to do it is via billion dollar disruptive businesses, so that's what he's doing. i applaud him for keeping true to this after however many years of having access to that much assets.

Why is everyone so certain his motivations are noble?

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Post by HeavenBanned »

ci5er wrote: post #168
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #15

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No, I want it to create value that will be given back to me via taxation.

Why would it consent to you leeching onto its productivity?

Because we would build in those restraints into the programming of the AI and make damn well sure they can't be skirted around. It's not impossible to create barriers within the context of AI.

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Post by baq »

catenthusiast wrote: post #173
baq wrote: post #34

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he needs the money, but he doesn't want it. he's not playing the business game for the game's sake, he wants to advance civilization and the best way to do it is via billion dollar disruptive businesses, so that's what he's doing. i applaud him for keeping true to this after however many years of having access to that much assets.

Why is everyone so certain his motivations are noble?

wouldn't say noble, just consistent and different from your usual businessmen who treat amassed capital and/or net worth as a measure of success.

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Post by Quenz »

komali2 wrote: post #96
Hungarian_aztec wrote: post #92

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No. An entrepreneur doesn't have to do the day to day heavy lifting. An entrepreneur hires and works with people who do the heavy lifting.

Why's this guy being downvoted? There are plenty of capable people out there that can run a given Muskventure. He's got enough money to spitball an idea, spend a good bit of time hiring the right people, choosing a CEO, and letting it ride. The only issue his it seems like his ideas won't make much money - how can you sell Neuralink when the technology doesn't exist to make it feasible? But give it 15 years and Neura…

Since when can you downvote on HN?

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Post by RangerScience »

donlzx wrote: post #114
RangerScience wrote: post #106

BAM - http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/v10/n7/full/nnano.2015.1... AFAIK, it's the most promising technology for actually making the neural lace. TL;DR: If you put electrodes on an angled plastic mesh, you can roll it up, inject it, and it'll safely unroll. Also, brain cells like to grow into it.

This scenario scare the hell out of me. Is injecting/intercepting brain signals directly really the way forward? Do we really want to create monster human species? IMHO, future AI should be used to enhance human cognitives in a noninvasive way. Never in such a dystopian way as in the movie "The Matrix".

Eh. Brain stem, reptile brain, mammal brain, primate brain, neocortex, cybercortex.

Half my mind is already in cyberspace, why not make it half my brain, too?

Edit: Dystopias don't come from technologies, they come from people being shitty.

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Post by Quenz »

tormeh wrote: post #42
aerovistae wrote: post #11

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Pretty much what they said about reusable rockets and electric cars.

They said that about electric cars? They had electric buses before they had petrol ones. In most ways electric is actually simpler. We've just been waiting for the batteries, and Tesla didn't do anything revolutionary there. Tesla saw the batteries were finally there and found a way to hype, market and sell electric cars successfully. That's praiseworthy. The self-driving stuff and over-the-air software updates are a…

I'm pretty sure we had electric cars before we had ICE cars.

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Post by Quenz »

catenthusiast wrote: post #173
baq wrote: post #34

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he needs the money, but he doesn't want it. he's not playing the business game for the game's sake, he wants to advance civilization and the best way to do it is via billion dollar disruptive businesses, so that's what he's doing. i applaud him for keeping true to this after however many years of having access to that much assets.

Why is everyone so certain his motivations are noble?

To me he seems like a genuinely noble guy, especially among many other successful capitalists.
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