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Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Post by xupybd »

From what I've read they were offended at his views on women. Views that never seemed to be expressed in his professional life.

Seems very wrong to me. We don't need thought police. He should be judged on his professional actions not private beliefs.

He has beliefs from gorean philosophy, that are something along the lines of women submitting to men. While many wouldn't agree with him, those same views are present in many religions, Christianity, Islam, Judaism and many others. If he managed to work with women without any problems why was he kicked off the project?

The responses allude to something they refuse to disclose, but it all seems very wrong to me. People should be free to believe what they want.

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Post by sattoshi »

I'm confused. What was the issue for his firing? Was it because his sex life went public and thus gave the project a bad view?

Kind of if someone abuses legal some legal substance that is frowned upon (I couldn't think of such a substance, let's pretend it exists) and gets ejected when it gets out to the public because they now associate a frowned-on behavior with the project.

OR

Was the issue just that he enjoyed sexual dominance?

Or even a mix of both? I feel like I'm missing something because I don't even understand the situation.

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Post by Animats »

If a gay guy was ejected for being into S&M, people would be screaming.

It's surprising that anybody cares at this point. "50 Shades Darker" just finished its run. SF has had Bondage a Go Go for over 20 years now.

The Gor thing is a joke at this late date. It's mostly something people do in Second Life now. It was cool in maybe 1975, when Norman's first books were out. He's still writing those books, and they sell to women as romances.

(An amusing note on political correctness: the State Department has some documents on line for their staff returning to the US and re-integrating into American society. One of the items covered is how political correctness has changed in the last few years. If you've been working in Ankara or Kuala Lumpur for the last few years, you may have missed the whole gay marriage thing.)

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Post by ams6110 »

sattoshi wrote: post #12

I'm confused. What was the issue for his firing? Was it because his sex life went public and thus gave the project a bad view? Kind of if someone abuses legal some legal substance that is frowned upon (I couldn't think of such a substance, let's pretend it exists) and gets ejected when it gets out to the public because they now associate a frowned-on behavior with the project. OR Was the issue just that he enjoyed se…

The Techcrunch story posted is better. It's linked in another comment here.

Edit: Sorry I meant the Inc. story.

"Garfield's accusers ... insist that Gor enthusiasts sincerely believe in the misogynistic philosophy of gender presented in the books. They point to Garfield's history of professing less-than-PC opinions about race and gender."

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Post by wskinner »

nodesocket wrote: post #3

I'm sorry, but how is this different than discriminating based on sexual preference (being gay)? This sort of stuff has no place in a business setting. Unfortunately this is the world we live in; everybody is outraged over something and claiming to be open and inclusive, as long as it prescribes to their own beliefs. Where are the TechCrunch social justice warriors (Megan Rose Dickey) about this?

It's no different, except that people who claim to be open and tolerant never really are. They are just tolerant of one or the other outgroup to the degree that that outgroup is socially acceptable.

I think the reason this happens is that people have no principles reason for tolerating other people. It just "feels right" for certain groups and wrong for others. So who gets tolerated trails changes in social acceptability.

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Post by mythrwy »

chuckdries wrote: post #2

Anyone here use drupal? I'm only vaguely aware of it. What does this mean for the project? I know my university uses it for their entire website.

whitehouse.gov was a Drupal site for a time. Not sure if it still is.

yep, builtwith says it still is.

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Post by mherchel »

I don't agree with the decision. But, he was not ejected for S&M hobbies. He was ejected because he was perceived to believe that women are subservient to men (evidently this was part of some of his online writing).

Here's a timeline of blog posts:

1. Larry's (the ejectee) initial blog post: https://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/tmi-outing

2. Dries' (founder of Drupal) following blog post: http://buytaert.net/living-our-values

3. Statement from the Drupal Association's Exec Director: https://www.drupal.org/association/blog/a-statement-from-the...

4. Another blog post from Larry where he clears up misconceptions and answers questions: https://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/tmi-part-2

More Info:

* Drupal community discussion on /r/Drupal: https://www.reddit.com/r/drupal/comments/60y9mq/larry_garfie...

* A great non-partial tldr; blogpost from Drupal developer Mike Ryan: http://virtuoso-performance.com/blog/mikeryan/thoughts-drupa...

Re: Drupal project imploding, core developers ejected for S&M hobbies

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Post by danso »

chuckdries wrote: post #2

Anyone here use drupal? I'm only vaguely aware of it. What does this mean for the project? I know my university uses it for their entire website.

I believe Drupal seems to be the official of CMS of Stanford.edu and many of its departments' sites [0]. And back in the day, Drupal's adoption by President Obama's first CTO was noteworthy [1]. I don't think Drupal made huge inroads in the rest of the federal government, but the White House Github page shows that they still use and maintain Drupal module and theme code: https://github.com/whitehouse

[0] https://drupalcamp.stanford.edu/

[1] https://www.drupal.org/node/613892

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