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Why is this little construction crane illegal in New York City? (2016)

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Re: Why is this little construction crane illegal in New York City? (2016)

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Dumb admission of the day: the domain name, crainsnewyork.com, combined with a story about cranes caused a temporary brain short circuit. I thought "holy shit, this is a really impressive website for NY crane wonks".

Ha! I didn't even register that the domain was not spelled cranesnewyork. I, too, saw the URL and thought "a story about a crane on a crane blog, I should be a bit wary of a bias of some sort" It is, however 1am for me currently and I did not sleep well last night (beware drinking Armenian homemade vodka (a.k.a. Moonshine made with things other than corn) with native Armenians, they don't allow empty glasses until th…

Just a side not, I have to admit that I love the nested parens.

Re: Why is this little construction crane illegal in New York City? (2016)

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We're often guilty of the same sort of thing in IT. I've seen IT leaders go on witch-hunts for areas of a business solving their own small issues with Ms Access, FileMaker, etc. Or developers complaining about simple crud apps and their support being outsourced overseas.

The Access/Filemaker thing is frequently an "actual" problem at the enterprise level, because in large-enough companies, the concern isn't just "does it get the job done" but also: • Is the data being backed up? Is that backup process actually correct (i.e. if the backing data-store is a file on a SAN, and we perform filesystem-level snapshots of that SAN, can all the data actually be restored from such a snapshot, o…

Well true, but I expect the crane operator guys will say that this crane sounds all super-cool until one of them collapses and kills a dozen people, and then we'd all ask why they aren't subject to the same requirements as the bigger cranes.

Re: Why is this little construction crane illegal in New York City? (2016)

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waterless ones are patented and without a water line you'd be locked in to higher priced products and/or have to spend a lot of extra money to run a new water line after the walls go up. Generally the situation with waterless ones is people endlessly social signal their green superiority about them, then the incredible stench makes them install real urinals. Even if only 5% or so install real urinals the net cost is…

What about the flip side of it - someone wants to put in a few waterless urinals someplace where they can't run water line, and the alternative is no urinals at all? You've literally outlawed a portion of the utility of the invention.

That's disgusting and unsanitary: no water == no sink.

Re: Why is this little construction crane illegal in New York City? (2016)

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Unions have a purpose. Suppressing innovation and competition to protect their gravy train monopoly should not be one of them.

They often don't see it that way - they see goals, not purposes, and suppressing competition is one of the more common and obvious means to achieve that goal.

Re: Why is this little construction crane illegal in New York City? (2016)

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In principle, I agree with you but in practice, I so loathe the stink of waterless urinals that on the inside, I'm glad they did that.

In principle, I agree with you, but in practice: Don't use my urinal if you don't like it. Liberalism goes both ways.

In practice, your urinal is often bundled with things I don't have much choice in, like a university or employer. I'm not going to transfer to a new school because i don't like the urinals.

Re: Why is this little construction crane illegal in New York City? (2016)

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It seems that this might be a new push by their PR firm (which is very good I guess, the article is very flattering and small-guy vs union side and all the right buttons) http://gothamgr.com/media-coverage/

It looks like they subsequently received their certification: http://vertikalsolutions.net/products/ > NYC SKYPICKER CERTIFICATION > The SKYPICKER MDS is approved for use by the New York City Department of Buildings division of Cranes and Derricks This article might have been organized by a PR firm, but if so, I guess it's already been successful.

Good find - the video of the crane 'vertically relocating' itself is pretty amazing.

Re: Why is this little construction crane illegal in New York City? (2016)

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Of course! Unions are a way to balance the scales against corporations. Controlling the supply of labor is very important if you want the wages to be at all decent. But the parent is right that anything questionable done by unions is labored over and repeated again and again and again and again while corporations (for the most part) don't face the same scrutiny.

I agree corporations get off far too easy. And that is the fault of the government in many cases for not prosecuting them or letting them off with fines far below the profits of illegal activity. "Controlling the supply of labor is very important if you want the wages to be at all decent." - I interpret that sentence very differently. I see it as controlling the labor supply is a great way to prevent the flow of labo…

The basic idea of collective bargaining isn't really illegal when applied to a employers in general, because it's already the norm on that side of the table. A group of businesspeople with mutual economic interest can legally "collude" when they decide what wages to offer employees, how to structure working conditions, how to carry out negotiations, etc., if they agree to form a legal partnership (you don't even need the newer legal fiction of unitary corporate personhood, just a classic partnership structure). Then colluding in business matters is not only legal, but expected. Why can't employees of such a partnership likewise "collude" when bargaining over wages and working conditions, forming into a single joined legal entity that sits opposite the joined legal entity of businesspeople on the other side of the table? It seems much more asymmetrical to say that the group of businesspeople can legally form a partnership to coordinate their economic activities for mutual gain, but the employees must each bargain individually and cannot form a, let's call it "workers' partnership", or union of workers, to likewise coordinate their economic activities for mutual gain.

One thing I find interesting: Will we will see some version of the odd asymmetries between corporate and union law tested out in the courts as the gig economy grows? A company providing labor, for example, can legally ask for exclusivity agreements. Aramark, a big catering contractor, does that frequently. A union can't, though; an exclusivity deal for employees, saying that catering staff can only be hired from a certain union, is banned as a "closed shop" under the Taft-Hartley act. What about a partnership of gig-economy workers? If they're not employees, it seems like they should be able to push for deals more like Aramark ones, even though unions can't do that.

Re: Why is this little construction crane illegal in New York City? (2016)

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Kiiiinnnnda. People make bad decisions, and the only architecture that matters is the one that lets you change. It's like the dig-once fiber policy for roadways, and is all part of the "don't build to peak value" idea; it's also like a usual problem with user interface design: if you only ever built user tools to do what you imagined, users (or later owners / tenants) are limited to your imagination. I go to a gym in…

> Kiiiinnnnda. People make bad decisions You can't outlaw bad decisions - but it seems that some people will never get tired of trying...

Construction codes are all about outlawing bad decisions.

Of course, those are "bad" decisions that save a few penny from the builders, and stay hidden until they surprise the building owner with a huge unpredictable cost. No water lines to urinals fits that descriptions nicely.

Re: Why is this little construction crane illegal in New York City? (2016)

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This is sort of like how when the waterless urinal was first commercialized, the plumbers union blocked it from getting approved in the general building code. Eventually a compromised was reached that involves requiring a plumber to draw an water line (unutilized) to every water-less install. Unions for skilled, high-pay jobs in highly regulated industries really extract a lot of questionable value from society.

Union acts in it's member's interests: "Terrible, we shouldn't allow this". Corporation acts in it's own interests: "Well you can't blame them for that".

The difference is when either the union or a corporation successfully hijacks law enforcement to promote its members' interests over those of the public.

Re: Why is this little construction crane illegal in New York City? (2016)

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It could, and did, get approved as a mobile crane. Then it was unapproved, thanks to political pressure.

Apparently the regulators thought it was mounted on a truck, but when they went in person to inspect it they discovered that he had built some sort of jury rigged contraption to move it around instead. This made it fall outside of their definition of a mobile crane. The article insinuates that the union was behind it all, but I'm not convinced he didn't just piss off the regulators in this case.

That version of events turns out to be inaccurate:

-- Delia Shumway, a professional engineer and the executive director of the agency’s Cranes and Derricks Unit when the Skypicker was approved, emailed me that Chandler confused the Skypicker revocation with a ruling about an entirely different crane.

Shumway wrote, “He’s the one that’s misinformed. The piece of equipment that he’s referring to was not the Skypicker but IBK’s knockoff of the Skypicker. That machine was not in compliance. There was never any argument about that.” --

[1]http://buildingnyc.org/crains-crane-inventor-gives-his-side-...

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