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Elon Musk’s Neuralink wants to boost the brain to keep up with AI

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Re: Elon Musk’s Neuralink wants to boost the brain to keep up with AI

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Post by pizza »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #5

I don't want to compete with AI. I want AI to create efficiency and wealth so I can relax and have a leisure lifestyle. This shows that work-a-holic CEO culture is only about margins and gains and not improving lifestyle and quality of life. Automation should be improving our lives not adding anxiety to compete with it, which we will ultimately lose. We're probably in for another 1880's labor movement as automation k…

David Brin said something once that I found interesting: "as long as I'm still in charge of the desiring, let the damn AI take care of the execution!"

Re: Elon Musk’s Neuralink wants to boost the brain to keep up with AI

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Post by shshhdhs »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #15
comboy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically you want AI to enclose you in a simulation where you feel fulfilled and happy?

No, I want it to create value that will be given back to me via taxation.

Could you be more clear on the economic mechanics of your scenario?

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Post by ajmurmann »

dogma1138 wrote: post #13
drzaiusapelord wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did 1880s people have to merge with assembly lines? I think you're being fairly dramatic and too "/r/futurology" here. The whole point of technology is to create tools to make our lives easier, not to become tools. People won't desire this and pushing this kind of pressure on people seems like a recipe for revolt against the capitalist system that has thus far provided so much wealth. The assembly line works for us,…

No, but like with any other performance enchanting utility it's going to be effectively peer pressure. If AI+human will be better than just AI people will "merge" with it at that point if it's a true AI you might as well be a different species to them as you'll likely won't be able to even communicate with them after a while.

Yes, having have to get a brain-machine connection implant before we've had a long time to observe safety and side effects has been a fear of mine for many years.

Re: Elon Musk’s Neuralink wants to boost the brain to keep up with AI

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Post by LeanderK »

forgive me if i am wrong, i don't know much about these matters. Just a quick thought. For me Elon Musks ventures seem a bit like angel-investors. Every company he founds has probability of making billions (car-company, rockets, tunnelling etc.), though they are also high risk. Of course he can't spread his risk as broad as a investor. But while risky, every venture seems to be very calculated, the opposite of crazy. I mean he could focus everything on Tesla, but if Tesla bites the dust he would loose everything.

But cause != correlation, maybe he just likes founding stuff.

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Post by cannonpr »

cafebabbe wrote: post #18
cannonpr wrote: post #16

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Not everyone wants to be human for ever, some people take joy in their work and want to continue doing it and contributing in a meaningful way, etc, etc. Nothing to do with being a workaholic or the rest. I hate to say it, but 'leisure' gets boring awfully quickly.

You realize that leisure could be any kind of work you want. The distinction is not leisure vs work. It's freedom vs. constraint.

I appreciate that, however I feel constraints give meaning to a task, you might argue that I can self impose them, I will argue that I wish those constraints to be imposed by society or by the conditions needed to advance science. To do that, eventually as AI's come online, I will have to stop being human.

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Post by gervase »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #9
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to compete with AI. You don't have an option. Said another way, in the long run you either merge with AGI or go extinct.

Did 1880s people have to merge with assembly lines? I think you're being fairly dramatic and too "/r/futurology" here. The whole point of technology is to create tools to make our lives easier, not to become tools. People won't desire this and pushing this kind of pressure on people seems like a recipe for revolt against the capitalist system that has thus far provided so much wealth. The assembly line works for us,…

He did specify "in the long run", which I think is probably true as the timescales get longer. I doubt anyone would argue that humanity would live lives relatively unchanged from the present say, 3000 years from now. So it's really just a matter of arguing about 'when' and not 'if'.

I'd also like to point out that although we didn't "become" the assembly line, employees certainly have become more replaceable in many of the jobs impacted by the assembly line. Depending on the job, some employees have become the metaphorical "cog in the machine", and can be replaced by other employees with minimal training, as compared to the artisan-based system that predated mass production.

I certainly see your point, however, and I truly hope that we can maintain our liberty and humanity as technology increases, instead of regressing into a kind of dystopian neo-feudalism.

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Post by Banthum »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #9
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to compete with AI. You don't have an option. Said another way, in the long run you either merge with AGI or go extinct.

Did 1880s people have to merge with assembly lines? I think you're being fairly dramatic and too "/r/futurology" here. The whole point of technology is to create tools to make our lives easier, not to become tools. People won't desire this and pushing this kind of pressure on people seems like a recipe for revolt against the capitalist system that has thus far provided so much wealth. The assembly line works for us,…

We kind of do merge with our technology, though. People are fuzzy-bounded; we're part of our environment and it's part of us, especially in the mental domain. In the physical domain glasses, notebooks (offloaded brain memory), telephones (merged voice) are physically merged technologies. In the mental sphere I feel I can say that Wikipedia and the Internet are in some sense merged parts of my mind. They are part of my thought processes and they were an essential ingredient in forming my thought processes too. Take away all my writing and reading and I really would be a different entity, mentally.

Re: Elon Musk’s Neuralink wants to boost the brain to keep up with AI

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Post by comboy »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #15
comboy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically you want AI to enclose you in a simulation where you feel fulfilled and happy?

No, I want it to create value that will be given back to me via taxation.

You said you want AI to provide wealth. But now you say you want to create value. It looks like you may need to compete after all.
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