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Disinvited from strangeloop I think? It's hard to keep track of it all.
Right, disinvited from strangeloop. When he was invited to speak at LambdaConf, pressure was brought to bear to get him disinvited. When that didn't work, people instead brought pressure against LambdaConf's sponsors, speakers, and attendees, in an effort to get LambdaConf cancelled.
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It is both notable and unsurprising that the Drupal code of conduct [1] makes zero mention of any of the topics in this debate. Nothing about sexuality, nothing about feminism, or equality, ... Yet every discussion about this immediately turns to gender politics. I think this shows the duplicitous nature of COCs: no matter what the letter says, the intent, as understood by nearly everyone, is to apply it to filter by…
> Nothing about sexuality, nothing about feminism, or equality, [...] From the DCOC: "The Drupal community and its members treat one another with respect." > When it comes to Drupal, the only gender problem it has is the people who keep manufacturing major incidents out of minor slights [...] I don't know for Drupal, but gender is an issue in most computer-science related fields, I doubt that Drupal is immune to this…
I spent a good portion of my early career working with Drupal on large-scale media sites and got to know some folks central to the movement. I liked almost everyone I met, including Dries, but after starting my own agency, left the platform and the community. Not because of individual conflicts, but because I concluded that I did not want my agency to orbit Acquia. This is what happens in commercially mature open sou…
There's an appearance of conflict of interest, and you are not the only one to make this accusation. But this is a red herring. It was also brought up on the related Reddit thread. Someone surmised this might be "motivated by the direct competition." To which rszrama (Ryan Szarma) said "As a co-founder of Platform.sh, I know with absolute certainty this is not the case." Assuming Ryan knows more than both of us, and…
I'd argue that Ryan can't really gain from making a claim that Dries is trying to damage his business, because then he's admitting that his business has been damaged without any real recourse. But I do agree that he knows plenty that we don't!
My thesis is not that Crell's behavior was acceptable. I know I don't have the standing to opine on that. My thesis is that Dries isn't accountable for this conflict of interest and the demands of running a venture-backed startup are largely at odds with the demands of running a community worthy of its code of conduct.
Of course, Dries is not the only BDFL with this kind of a conflict of interest. Many of us who have a career on the Internet live in the shade of one tree or another...
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Community governance in a world where open source is increasing and privacy decreasing will necessarily require drama as long as emotions are involved. The article raises questions in the controversy worth exploring in countless open source projects. I didn't encounter evidence cited by the ousting members in the article. Can you link to your sources?
You didn't encounter pretty much any of the other side in that article, which is not an accurate summary of the controversy. I'm not sure this article makes a good starting point for discussing this issue, and I'm not sure the issue itself is really worth mining to find a good starting point.
I spent a good portion of my early career working with Drupal on large-scale media sites and got to know some folks central to the movement. I liked almost everyone I met, including Dries, but after starting my own agency, left the platform and the community. Not because of individual conflicts, but because I concluded that I did not want my agency to orbit Acquia. This is what happens in commercially mature open sou…
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You didn't encounter pretty much any of the other side in that article, which is not an accurate summary of the controversy. I'm not sure this article makes a good starting point for discussing this issue, and I'm not sure the issue itself is really worth mining to find a good starting point.
In a way it looks very much like just the same issue that has come up before with people getting banned from tech conferences for example: Should the beliefs a person holds that are unrelated to the community in question be grounds for ostracizing him from said community. I don't really understand why you think that isn't an issue worth discussing.
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In a way it looks very much like just the same issue that has come up before with people getting banned from tech conferences for example: Should the beliefs a person holds that are unrelated to the community in question be grounds for ostracizing him from said community. I don't really understand why you think that isn't an issue worth discussing.
I didn't say it wasn't an issue worth discussing. I said that the article we're commenting on is highly misleading. It would lead one to believe that the community is penalizing consensual sexual behavior, when in fact the concern has virtually nothing to do with his BDSM subculture.
The comments from the DA side about this have been few and self-contradictory so that partially the reason the article is the way it is.
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Right, disinvited from strangeloop. When he was invited to speak at LambdaConf, pressure was brought to bear to get him disinvited. When that didn't work, people instead brought pressure against LambdaConf's sponsors, speakers, and attendees, in an effort to get LambdaConf cancelled.
That's a lurid way to describe people boycotting (pretty successfully) a conference.
This article is written from one side of a complicated conflict. It's the perspective of the ousted Drupal member that his beliefs are entirely packaged up in the BDSM subculture that he takes part in, and that to have a problem with his beliefs is to persecute his BDSM subculture. It's the perspective of the other Drupal members who ousted him that his beliefs are not in fact cabined in that subculture, but in fact…
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That's a lurid way to describe people boycotting (pretty successfully) a conference.
Which claim are you objecting to? That people attempted to get him disinvited? That people pushed LambdaConf's sponsors to pull out? That people pushed LambdaConf's speakers to pull out? That people encouraged LambdaConf's attendees to switch to MoonConf? Calling that "attempting to get LambdaConf cancelled" doesn't seem particularly lurid, especially not compared to things like "You chose to die on this hill."