Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

polygon.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

211–220 of 317 posts

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#211

Post by watwut »

nailer wrote: post #193
watwut wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If a kid thinks that they've misunderstood the joke (and I'd support rating the video something like '15+ mature' or whatever youtube's equivalent is). The biggest real hit for PewDiePie was that Disney studios dropped him as affiliate. Disney does not feature '15+ mature', they children+parents friendly as a strategy.

They definitely shouldn't have him under the 'Disney' brand: his humor is for gamers not children. But Disney does Marvel Studios, Buena Vista, Star Wars and a bunch of other stuff.

Star Wars is PG-13 (just checked).

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#212

Post by [deleted] »

cortesoft wrote: post #200
nilkn wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your opinions have consequences. They can affect other people in real ways. In this case, the imprecise, incredibly untrustworthy outrage of thousands of people -- fueled by a sensationalist media hit job -- almost ruined someone's career. You're welcome to your opinion. But you also have to take responsibility for it.

Can't this exact same argument be made to PewDiePie? He is welcome to make whatever kind of jokes he wants, but 'his opinions have consequences.' If he makes a joke that causes people to write articles criticizing him, then that is a natural consequence of telling those types of jokes. Just like no one gets to decide what kind of jokes are allowed to be told, no one gets to decide how someone reacts to those jokes.

[deleted]

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#213

Post by cloakandswagger »

fwn wrote: post #197
crooked-v wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really that surprising that Disney thought that using "death to all Jews" in a joke, regardless of context, was inappropriate?

"regardless of context" does not even exist. Your comment featured it and I don't think it's an inappropriate comment you made here.

"Death to all jews" -crooked-v 3/27/17

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#214

Post by jimmyk »

jrkatz wrote: post #208
jimmyk wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you convince children that it is right to attack members of race x, then other kids of race x will end up attacked. OK, but we're not discussing a scenario in which stormfront members have total control over what the children are exposed to. We're discussing a scenario where they have at most a few minutes of the child's attention. For the other fifteen and three quarters waking hours of the child's day, their att…

Given that racist adults exist it is quite clear that the scenario is possible, and I think it is reasonable to assume that is a process that begins in childhood, when their minds are malleable, until finally they are old enough they cannot be swayed but can fully rationalize it, and maybe even hide between the lines in almost palatable questions like, "Is it really bullshit if it wins the war of ideas?", which assum…

and I think it is reasonable to assume that is a process that begins in childhood, when their minds are malleable

Is there some defect in human minds which makes them extremely susceptible in childhood to "racist bullshit" in particular, above other ideas?

which assumes some kind of fair marketplace of ideas where the right thing always wins

Well, it certainly would always win in the minds of reasonable and just people, would it not? If you believe "the right thing" won't win in reality, is that not saying something about what you think of the people in question?

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#215

Post by jrkatz »

jimmyk wrote: post #206
jrkatz wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm worried because my children will have the same Jewish heritage I have, and while it is not likely reason will lose the day, it is possible. Even a slim chance is worth taking very seriously. It's like giant, apocalyptic asteroids. Odds are one won't hit the Earth in our time, and if it's on track to odds are we won't be able to stop it. We're still looking out for them.

We're not exactly spending hundreds of billions each year on asteroid mitigation programs. From what I can tell, the total spending at least in the US is at most in the hundreds of millions annually. If the odds of an impact were vastly higher, we probably would spend hundreds of billions each year. If we knew an impact was coming, we'd spend nearly every cent we had trying to stop it. Given the sheer magnitude of ou…

To be clear, you are laying out the premise that by reacting to racism at all, I am revealing I secretly believe it is more right than anti-racism. Does that sound about right?

Why are you so eager to police anti-racism, then? By the same logic, if racism is right you'll be fine.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#216

Post by nilkn »

cortesoft wrote: post #200
nilkn wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your opinions have consequences. They can affect other people in real ways. In this case, the imprecise, incredibly untrustworthy outrage of thousands of people -- fueled by a sensationalist media hit job -- almost ruined someone's career. You're welcome to your opinion. But you also have to take responsibility for it.

Can't this exact same argument be made to PewDiePie? He is welcome to make whatever kind of jokes he wants, but 'his opinions have consequences.' If he makes a joke that causes people to write articles criticizing him, then that is a natural consequence of telling those types of jokes. Just like no one gets to decide what kind of jokes are allowed to be told, no one gets to decide how someone reacts to those jokes.

Yes, and it should be. I took it for granted that this sort of argument is already applied to celebrities. The unexpected/counter-intuitive part of my claim is that it should also apply to the people writing one-off tweets that they think are harmless and that nobody will read.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#217

Post by smnscu »

Animats wrote: post #198

Talking head on Youtube complains that being a talking head on Youtube is a lousy business. Whatever. I've watched a few videos of people talking while playing video games. I usually wish they'd just STFU and play the game.

There are plenty of those as well and much more enjoyable, especially if you don't want to put $60 + 20h into a game and just experience the story in the background.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#218

Post by jimmyk »

jrkatz wrote: post #190
jimmyk wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you believe being mad and outraged is an effective means of ensuring your own chosen words find their way into impressionable, insecure minds, then sure, you should be mad, Mr. Katz.

This assumes the 'outrage community' is a thing that exists and is a bunch of angry people, frothing at the mouth, waiting to attack anyone who isn't toeing their line. Maybe they even have meetings. If they do I haven't been invited. That might be because they don't exist. I believe my responses have been well measured, and the idea of an 'outrage community' is something that has been propped up to point to as a def…

I don't think it matters whether the silent majority agrees with the vocal minority or not, as far as this discussion goes (and of course it is a vocal minority that is going after these youtubers -- the media is a small subset of the population). Whether their ideas are popular or not, they are in competition with these youtubers for influence over impressionable, insecure minds. So please spare me the "impressionable mind" stuff. If you get mad at someone else for using your tactics, you have no leg to stand on.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#219

Post by Banthum »

throwaway9475 wrote: post #195
Karunamon wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that were literally all it was about, nobody would have reason to complain. Instead, the concept has expanded out to encompass political views which can be debated in good faith. Supporting certain candidates has resulted in public shaming, if not outright violence. Do our college students really need to be kept "safe" from mere disagreement?

When "mere disagreement" is something like "I don't think you should have the same rights as me because your sexuality/gender/class/religion is different" then, uh, yes. E.g., depriving LGBTQ people marriage because of your "religious" beliefs is not a political view. This can be hard to understand if you come from a position where you've never had to deal with any issues like that. But for people in those groups, it…

"I don't think you should have the same rights as me because your sexuality/gender/class/religion is different"

Quite the opposite. Typically safe space warriors are demanding that people have different rights in public based on their genetics, not the same rights.

E.g. "You're a white man so shut up, I should have a special right to speak over you because of [XYZ]."

Here are some examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK4MBzp5YwM

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#220

Post by cloakandswagger »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #171

What's wrong with just "owning it"? Why do entertainers whose viewers come for edgy jokes apologize for occasionally delivering a joke in excess of poor taste? It seems like most of the outrage comes from non-core audience members. It's a long-tail kind of thing. I'm willing to bet a big portion of any given entertainers' audience is willing to excuse the occasional bad joke for all the funny ones. Some groups have l…

Doubling down on or simply ignoring controversy seems to be the best course of action in today's outrage culture.

Look at Trump: He never apologizes for anything, and controversies and scandals slide off of him like they were nothing.

It seems so obvious to me that I've been tempted to try my hand at the crisis management business, but I fear a strategy of "do nothing" isn't very protectable.

Post reply on HN