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Ask a Female Engineer: How Can Managers Help Retain Technical Women?

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Re: Ask a Female Engineer: How Can Managers Help Retain Technical Women?

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post #86

Sexual harassment and payment inequality came up a lot in the last women in computer science event I went to.

> payment inequality Perceived or real? I'm yet to hear about a company that has policy to pay women less. Most have personally-discussed salaries though. If some ladies are paid less, they probably don't haggle as well. What should we do? Deny custom salaries and personal raises?

There are no companies which have such a policy, because it's illegal.

Re: Ask a Female Engineer: How Can Managers Help Retain Technical Women?

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Get everyone focused on thinking about the team's mission, role, and what it takes to get the job done. Drill that into everyone's head and stick to it. Let everything else go. A mentor once told me that business fundamentally revolves around making money, saving money, saving time, and making customers happier. I like thinking about work that way, as it has nothing to do with religion, sex, gender, age, height, phas…

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Re: Ask a Female Engineer: How Can Managers Help Retain Technical Women?

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Get everyone focused on thinking about the team's mission, role, and what it takes to get the job done. Drill that into everyone's head and stick to it. Let everything else go. A mentor once told me that business fundamentally revolves around making money, saving money, saving time, and making customers happier. I like thinking about work that way, as it has nothing to do with religion, sex, gender, age, height, phas…

This is the mentality that leads to drama explosions like at Uber. They were all focused on making money and building a big company. Because of this, they ignored the "little things" like building a HR department that could support women when they were put in bad situations.

I think a part of "don't tolerate a culture that gets in the way of making that [making money] happen" is not tolerating sexism, juvenile behaviour, harassment, or bullying in the workplace.

All of those factors make some of your employees less productive.

Re: Ask a Female Engineer: How Can Managers Help Retain Technical Women?

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post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Especially as a woman, I worry about being labeled hyper-sensitive, or that my gender will influence a person’s reaction to my feedback (e.g. the perception that women are hysterical). [...] > The final straw has typically been something like my manager making an off-hand remark that is thoughtless and rude, or perhaps a project I care about deeply is axed, or I’m denied a raise, or someone I care about at work is…

I'd say they're issues that are harder for woman to navigate. Not because they're less capable I should add, but because what's considered acceptable behaviour is different.

Yeah, sure. Either way it is a difficult position.

Re: Ask a Female Engineer: How Can Managers Help Retain Technical Women?

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Am I wrong or all the issues seem to be not gender related but about management and they apply to both sexes?

> Especially as a woman, I worry about being labeled hyper-sensitive, or that my gender will influence a person’s reaction to my feedback (e.g. the perception that women are hysterical). [...] > The final straw has typically been something like my manager making an off-hand remark that is thoughtless and rude, or perhaps a project I care about deeply is axed, or I’m denied a raise, or someone I care about at work is…

To me the ones that sound more likely to be encountered by a woman are sexual harrassment, being labeled hyper-sensitive, or worrying that gender would have an effect on communication.

Re: Ask a Female Engineer: How Can Managers Help Retain Technical Women?

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Am I wrong or all the issues seem to be not gender related but about management and they apply to both sexes?

You're wrong. Every industry has management problems. Women leave tech at a rate much higher than they leave other industries. The only conclusion is that tech is a hostile environment for women, or that women are intrinsically unable to perform in tech.

IMHO, tech is a hostile environment with a lot of poor managers. I think the Peter principle applies to a lot of managers in tech. Promoted past their skill set. Just because someone is a good engineer does not mean they will be a good engineering manager. Managing humans with needs, concerns, ideals and life goals is so very different than managing a code-base. Executive leadership needs to consider this when building teams and figure out how to make and/or recruit good managers.

Re: Ask a Female Engineer: How Can Managers Help Retain Technical Women?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Especially as a woman, I worry about being labeled hyper-sensitive, or that my gender will influence a person’s reaction to my feedback (e.g. the perception that women are hysterical). [...] > The final straw has typically been something like my manager making an off-hand remark that is thoughtless and rude, or perhaps a project I care about deeply is axed, or I’m denied a raise, or someone I care about at work is…

To me the ones that sound more likely to be encountered by a woman are sexual harrassment, being labeled hyper-sensitive, or worrying that gender would have an effect on communication.

Yes. I agree, which is why I cited those excerpts.

Re: Ask a Female Engineer: How Can Managers Help Retain Technical Women?

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point me to the part of the sentence where OP says not to review code entirely? You sound like you're just making his point.

The entire purpose of a code review is to highlight things that are wrong. You can't point out things that are wrong without someone being able to spin your comments as some kind of toxic masculine impulse to show basal-primate technical dominance through demonstration of superior shamanistic technical knowledge. Pointing out a buffer overflow isn't sexism. It's pointing out a buffer overflow.

The entire purpose of a code review is to highlight things that are wrong. You can't point out things that are wrong without someone being able to spin your comments as some kind of toxic masculine impulse to show basal-primate technical dominance through demonstration of superior shamanistic technical knowledge.

Get a fucking grip. Pointing out a buffer overflow isn't sexism. It's pointing out a fucking buffer overflow.

You could have communicated your point without the aggression. That's what I presume is gedy's original point.

Re: Ask a Female Engineer: How Can Managers Help Retain Technical Women?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me the ones that sound more likely to be encountered by a woman are sexual harrassment, being labeled hyper-sensitive, or worrying that gender would have an effect on communication.

Yes. I agree, which is why I cited those excerpts.

I just thought you included some things there that aren't really gendered.

Re: Ask a Female Engineer: How Can Managers Help Retain Technical Women?

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Am I wrong or all the issues seem to be not gender related but about management and they apply to both sexes?

It's not like women are aliens with concerns that are completely divorced from male employees. They just have a superset of concerns that also includes the potential for gender discrimination from coworkers and managers.

There are likely a similar set of male specific issues as well, so it seems presumptuous to call it a superset.
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