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Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by watwut »

jimmyk wrote: post #166
jrkatz wrote: post #65

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For an extreme example, suppose stormfront camps outside your child's school passing out leaflets and having fun, racist singalongs. How can it be your responsibility when they're in an area that is effectively outside your control? Sure, once you find out about it you can pull them from school but this requires first that you find out about it, which you may not be able to do until they come home singing the 14 word…

Why are you worried that your children will be threatened for their heritage in a world where children can be exposed to a diversity of opinion, including those you don't approve of? Do you think you'll lose the war of ideas to "bullshit"?

If that exposed opinion is "race x should be attacked" then kids of race x can end up attacked as result. If you convince children that it is right to attack members of race x, then other kids of race x will end up attacked. That is how it always was.

After all, nazi did won war of ideas and so did hutu and so did khmer rouge.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by petercooper »

basisword wrote: post #59

Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube (specifically content creators not TED talks and such)? I started doing it recently just to see what all the fuss is about as it seems pretty common for younger people (and I'm 26 so it's not like I'm old but I didn't do it). After subscribing to a few channels I started watching stuff regularly. Basically if I want to kill 10 mins I'll…

Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube

Yep, although it's usually in the background while working or reading as with most entertainment nowadays. My YouTube to TV ratio is easily 3:1. It's really all down to what you subscribe to. You can make it as high brow, low brow, mixed, technical, non-technical, or whatever as you want - there is really a channel for everything and that's where it's even better than TV.

Now finding those great channels.. it's a HUGE discovery problem. I mean, I know what I'm looking for and am still surprised to find excellent channels I'd never seen before.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by nailer »

watwut wrote: post #186
nailer wrote: post #72

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> why didn't he go with something equally likely to be rejected by people who understand English, but less 'Death to all jews'? He did. See the other people on fiverr he got to do other, stupid things. You did actually watch the video, right? > likely to be rejected by people who understand English They understand English perfectly - their email replies discussing the task were about the same level of English as spok…

> If a kid thinks that they've misunderstood the joke (and I'd support rating the video something like '15+ mature' or whatever youtube's equivalent is). The biggest real hit for PewDiePie was that Disney studios dropped him as affiliate. Disney does not feature '15+ mature', they children+parents friendly as a strategy.

They definitely shouldn't have him under the 'Disney' brand: his humor is for gamers not children. But Disney does Marvel Studios, Buena Vista, Star Wars and a bunch of other stuff.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by maldusiecle »

nilkn wrote: post #144
nommm-nommm wrote: post #112

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People are allowed to form an opinion on things. They are even allowed to publish that opinion online. That's not "policing."

Your opinions have consequences. They can affect other people in real ways. In this case, the imprecise, incredibly untrustworthy outrage of thousands of people -- fueled by a sensationalist media hit job -- almost ruined someone's career. You're welcome to your opinion. But you also have to take responsibility for it.

"Almost ruined someone's career" is such a stretch here. PewDiePie is a multimillionaire. He didn't almost lose his career, he almost lost a few business opportunities. Others like as not would have opened later. This is a very successful entertainer facing criticism; it's not analogous to a normal person being forced out of their job.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by throwaway9475 »

Karunamon wrote: post #179
Alreadyobsolete wrote: post #173

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The safe community spaces on college campuses are honestly doing the opposite of what you suggest, generally giving people the opportunity to speak without fear. An example being communities where LGBT students can speak without fear of being targeted by homophobia, transphobia or otherwise. It's not unusual for communities to create rules to help foster dialogue and make its members feel safe being in that community

If that were literally all it was about, nobody would have reason to complain. Instead, the concept has expanded out to encompass political views which can be debated in good faith. Supporting certain candidates has resulted in public shaming, if not outright violence. Do our college students really need to be kept "safe" from mere disagreement?

When "mere disagreement" is something like "I don't think you should have the same rights as me because your sexuality/gender/class/religion is different" then, uh, yes. E.g., depriving LGBTQ people marriage because of your "religious" beliefs is not a political view. This can be hard to understand if you come from a position where you've never had to deal with any issues like that. But for people in those groups, it's important to have a place where you can be with like-minded people and talk about those issues without someone taking over the conversation and making it about themselves and /their/ group.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by arca_vorago »

frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #187
basisword wrote: post #59

Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube (specifically content creators not TED talks and such)? I started doing it recently just to see what all the fuss is about as it seems pretty common for younger people (and I'm 26 so it's not like I'm old but I didn't do it). After subscribing to a few channels I started watching stuff regularly. Basically if I want to kill 10 mins I'll…

Lectures, lectures, lectures!! I search for niche topics, restrict to videos 20 mins or longer, sometimes throw a "lecture", "talk", "speech", "debate", "discussion" etc tag into my search and watch those. There's a lot of amazingly dense insightful videos on youtube with I would actually say restricting to 20 min or longer videos is a real key. I was looking for some information on backpacking yesterday. I did a cou…

Very much this. Between Stanford, MIT, harvard , Yale and Berkeley, I find great lecture content I hope never goes away. Otherwise I find that finding a particularly articulate author or person and searching for all their material is another way to do this.

EG, Robert Fisk, 20 mins, sort by view count.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by fwn »

crooked-v wrote: post #157
debt wrote: post #151

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Would it be illegal for Disney to encourage or indirectly fund a hit piece on PewDiePie? It's very likely the OP here is right: YouTubers are imploding. Disney probably is the first to see that(they acquired Maker Studios a year or so ago) and needed to offload a massive failing asset. The anti-semitism problem is a very specific angle to take particularly related to Disney and PewDiePie. Someone clearly combed his t…

Is it really that surprising that Disney thought that using "death to all Jews" in a joke, regardless of context, was inappropriate?

"regardless of context" does not even exist. Your comment featured it and I don't think it's an inappropriate comment you made here.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by draw_down »

raesene6 wrote: post #39

I've been watching Youtube vids for a long time (well relatively, like 10+ years) and it's one of my primary forms of entertainment. It has been very interesting to see youtubers come and go, a lot of them seem to burn out on the schedule of trying to produce content regularly, which I can understand, anyone who's edited videos would realise the time it can take to produce something of good quality. Pewdiepie is an i…

If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I rather doubt those six lines would contain weird comments about Jews.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by cortesoft »

nilkn wrote: post #144
nommm-nommm wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are allowed to form an opinion on things. They are even allowed to publish that opinion online. That's not "policing."

Your opinions have consequences. They can affect other people in real ways. In this case, the imprecise, incredibly untrustworthy outrage of thousands of people -- fueled by a sensationalist media hit job -- almost ruined someone's career. You're welcome to your opinion. But you also have to take responsibility for it.

Can't this exact same argument be made to PewDiePie? He is welcome to make whatever kind of jokes he wants, but 'his opinions have consequences.' If he makes a joke that causes people to write articles criticizing him, then that is a natural consequence of telling those types of jokes.

Just like no one gets to decide what kind of jokes are allowed to be told, no one gets to decide how someone reacts to those jokes.

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