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How to Be Someone People Love to Talk To (2015)

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Re: How to Be Someone People Love to Talk To (2015)

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Idk, although I kind of get the gist of what you are saying, I've met plenty of unattractive people who are pleasant to be with. And for whatever reasons, I'm more attracted to talking to these (unattractive) people than some Brad Pitt look-a-likes. They tend to make me feel more at ease. Different strokes for different people I guess.

>And for whatever reasons, I'm more attracted to talking to these (unattractive) people than some Brad Pitt look-a-likes. They tend to make me feel more at ease. I'm actually really interested in why you feel this way, if you could go into more detail.

I can expand a bit on @jaequery's comments, as well as elaborate on "attractiveness", in general.

I worked in hospitality (bars/restaurants) for a decade before moving into tech. Working behind "the stick" you get to witness a lot of human interaction. @jaequery may feel more comfortable around people who are not Brad Pitt look-a-like because he/she doesn't have judge them (that much) and, hence, does not have to worry about their conversant judging them back.

Attractiveness, in general, is really useful in the beginning of meeting a stranger. Most folks will judge another within 3-5 second and create a mental model of that person. As the model forms, there are basic assumptions that take place, such as: "they are a threat", "wow, she is attractive", "he seems cool", etc. Most will use simple adjectives as concreteness to anchor the stranger to something familiar.

Usually, after the initial assumptions are made, you move on. However, if you decide to talk to the other person, then, other mental models start popping up.

During the initial introduction, both parties are constantly judging each other, starting with the most basic (are their eyes clear, is their hair cut, are their shoes polished or clean, watch, jewelry, etc.). Once both parties are comfortable, the model changes. Most people will start using adverbs to describe the person (he has an exciting life, she's traveled everywhere, the couple is very friendly).

As all of this occurs, we are also judging ourselves; this is what sets folks apart from being comfortable with speaking to others (or in public) while others loose their shit.

It seems, from my experience, that while this whole social game is playing out, some folks just don't give a crap about the other person's "top-level" traits and attempt to engage the other person's actual personality. This particular quality is found in people who are "cool" or friendly with everyone. The engagement becomes very personal and disarming. I believe this is why @jaequery feels comfortable around certain people: he/she is trying to get to this point and engage the "inner-onion" of the person, instead of the top skin level stuff.

What's even more interesting is that the single separation of why women are way more comfortable meeting people then men is because of their mental model of people. Women are socially approached from a young age: being asked to the school dance, movies, then dates...while still in JHS or HS. By the time they graduate college, they've seen hundreds or thousands of guys and have built strong mental models of people. On the other hand, most guys are terrified of approaching another person because of rejection and hence do not have enough "hours" in developing mental models.

I believe this is also a major part of "Mother's Intuition". That intuition is built upon a large cache of real world models that they apply and can see through the BS.

Anyway, sorry for the long post.

Re: How to Be Someone People Love to Talk To (2015)

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Yes! My favorite tactic to get people talking about themselves comes from Paul Ford: Just ask the other person what they do, and right after they tell you, say: “Wow. That sounds hard.” Because nearly everyone in the world believes their job to be difficult. I once went to a party and met a very beautiful woman whose job was to help celebrities wear Harry Winston jewelry. I could tell that she was disappointed to be…

So in return for being "liked" by that woman, the listener had to pretend to be interested in her talk entirely about herself for half an hour? Where she wasn't interested enough to even ask the listeners name? Sounds like a way to raise her self-esteem at the expense of yours.

Still, it sounds like the paybacks for him were "She kept touching me as she talked. I forgave her for that." and, the knowledge that "I didn’t reveal a single detail about myself, including my name." Amusing.

Re: How to Be Someone People Love to Talk To (2015)

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post #76

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>But if you're still insecure or unhappy inside, it's going to come off as unattractive. What makes you think that I'm insecure or unhappy to begin with? I see this as an investment in myself.

I certainly didn't think you were either, but now you took what was pretty clearly a generic statement as a personal one and I can't help but rethink that.

I don't see how you think that it wasn't personal given the preceding sentence.

Re: How to Be Someone People Love to Talk To (2015)

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Everything about this is highly contextual and varies across cultures. Smiling in some situations makes you look powerful, in many others it makes you look weak. Being very animated can make you look carefree in some situations and just wild in others. The more time I spend in cultures that I didn't grow up in, the more convinced I become that there just aren't any universalities in this direction. Any attempt to do…

I'd like to know the culture where smiling is seen differently. It is the global symbol of happiness and tells everybody on earth "i'm a friend" or at least "i'm friendly".

Re: How to Be Someone People Love to Talk To (2015)

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post #69

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>And for whatever reasons, I'm more attracted to talking to these (unattractive) people than some Brad Pitt look-a-likes. They tend to make me feel more at ease. I'm actually really interested in why you feel this way, if you could go into more detail.

I can expand a bit on @jaequery's comments, as well as elaborate on "attractiveness", in general. I worked in hospitality (bars/restaurants) for a decade before moving into tech. Working behind "the stick" you get to witness a lot of human interaction. @jaequery may feel more comfortable around people who are not Brad Pitt look-a-like because he/she doesn't have judge them (that much) and, hence, does not have to wor…

I've never thought about modeling to that extent, or about how many more samples women are provided with and able to process. Makes sense.

Re: How to Be Someone People Love to Talk To (2015)

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post #56

I think the article severely downplays the importance of attractiveness. If the other party finds you attractive, the bar is lowered to the point of you simply being normal/average in terms of intelligence, wit, and whatever else you want to include in your definition of what makes a person "interesting". You basically need to be a vapid idiot to give anyone a bad impression as an attractive person. It's a huge facto…

Thank God I'm not the only guy that wears sunscreen! I've shared the same opinion as you for most of my life. I really got a strong dose of truth in highschool. I got tired of getting picked on and being out of shape in freshman year. I was a loner and a punching bag for kids having a bad day. I started exercising to stop people from bothering me. I still kept to myself and maintained my outsider status at first, but…

Ahh dude, you were sooo close but missed the point entirely. Issue with being attractive in HS is it's cheap. You may actually be disgruntled because you sorta miss the "old you". Problem with this whole post is that your attractiveness didn't permeate to the core of your person.

I also had a similar story as you, except when I joined the football team and hung out with the cool kids, I didn't give a shit what anyone said about my old friends and went back to hang out with them. They were good people and their company never accompanied snide remarks about your choice of clothing, music, etc.

One thing I've learned is being the cool guy give you this amazing ability to actually conversant with many different groups and bring people together. That particular ability will earn you way more social browny points then anything else. It will also make you happy, because people will be happy to see you because of you, not because of how you look or who you hang out with.

Just my 2 cents. Who knows, I could be wrong.

Re: How to Be Someone People Love to Talk To (2015)

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post #15

I know a small number of very charismatic people. It seems to just be a natural function of who they are. I have always wondered if there was a way to "become charismatic".

My feeling is it is a bit of both nature/nurture. I do feel you can influence. Some years back on university holidays I did door-to-door sales for ~6 weeks. I noticed at the end I was getting involved in all these conversations with people I wouldn't normally in day-today life. E.g. I'd order a beer at some bar and find myself having chats with the bartender, and genuine we're being friends chats. Something I've never been naturally inclined to do before. It was a fairly positive effect. That said I think it can go the other way as I saw a friend who moved into real estate sales becoming quite sleazy from I'm guessing being surrounded by that say what you need to make a sale culture for a couple years.

Re: How to Be Someone People Love to Talk To (2015)

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post #63

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Are you for real? Develop substance my friend. The rest is all cosmetic and won't take you far.

I have substance. You're completely delusional if you think that being good-looking will ever be anything other than a benefit. An extremely significant one at that.

Those benefits have a cost--financially, emotionally, and time-wise. So the whole question is, is it worth it, past a certain point.

Re: How to Be Someone People Love to Talk To (2015)

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post #56

I think the article severely downplays the importance of attractiveness. If the other party finds you attractive, the bar is lowered to the point of you simply being normal/average in terms of intelligence, wit, and whatever else you want to include in your definition of what makes a person "interesting". You basically need to be a vapid idiot to give anyone a bad impression as an attractive person. It's a huge facto…

Please stop, you are wrong. Im attractive and people hate me. Have you ever considered whats its like to be attractive? People are instantly jealous of you and hate you. And they make sure to lay judgement into you -- if you arent whip smart they will tear you down just like anyone else. I know ugly, average looking and good looking people who all do very well with people and in life. It comes down to your intelligen…

I think intelligence in general is not exactly what makes you do well with people, it's more of a certain type of intelligence that has no direct relation to what (most of us) consider intelligence.

I myself consider to be really intelligent and even attractive, although my interest in relating with people is really low and thus it's difficult for me to interact with strangers. I'm bad at this kind of intelligence that makes you good at human relations.

Re: How to Be Someone People Love to Talk To (2015)

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Is it just me or is this just a hidden advertisement for the book "It's Not All About "Me": The Top Ten Techniques for Building Quick Rapport with Anyone" by Robin Dreke [1]?

The book is mentioned (and linked) several times in the article and in articles the article itself cites as sources (and links to).

[1]https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0060YIBLK

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