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China is spending billions on soft power

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Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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If they really want people to like them, they really need to teach their citizens how to behave before they travel, or prevent them from traveling altogether. Maybe force them to take a mandatory etiquette class or something.

Same could be said about Americans. I rather be cut in lines from some old Chinese ladies than have Americans shouting disrespectful stuff next to me. In fact Chinese people seem to be aware and respectful of local cultures usually, something that can't be said about Americans.

Source: Digitalnomad in SEA

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

#122
post #35

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Are you talking about the United States here ?

The US could also finally get rid of the death penalty, but it is still a democracy, with a working court system. Can change faster than you think but maybe, just maybe, it won't.

Swiss here. I never understood how Americans can believe to live in a functional democracy. Seems far fetched to me

Most decisions are not made within a democratic process but decided by leaders who are usually not voted for ether

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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post #109

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I don't really follow here. One of the examples of a multisyllabic word given is fēijī, 飛機, 'aeroplane'. But this breaks down into 'fly machine', which is a classic example of a compound word. Later on it talks about 'library', túshūguǎn, or 'picture book museum' (according to the dictionary I just found). Again a compound word, and one which raises fascinating questions about whether they had museums before they had…

The meaning of the compound words isn't predictable in general -- a library is not in fact a picture book museum. And remember that many multisyllabic words in English are composed of morphemes with a distinct meaning, with varying levels of compositionality. E.g. we would not say that "airport" is two words just because its meaning has something vaguely to do with the meanings of "air" and "port", or that "return" i…

Do you have any examples of multisyllable words in Mandarin which don't break down like this? I have yet to find one.

Note that just because a word is a compound word doesn't mean it's not a word. A compound word has a meaning which is distinct from the sum of its parts; otherwise it wouldn't be used. But the meaning of a picture book museum, or fly machine, or language law, though, is still quite clear. But a library has nothing to do with lies or bras, and the last syllable isn't even a valid word.

('Airport's not a good example in English because it actually is a compound word. Contrast with 'sea port'.)

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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post #118
post #20

The difference between a communist and a capitalist society. With Hollywood, the USA profits billions to make the world love it. :-)

Could be sarcasm but I don't Really see how one thing has to do anything with the other

Churchill famously remarked the film Ms. Miniver was worth, "either five battleships or 50 destroyers". Hollywood has immense propaganda value and is very effective at exporting American culture.

It is independent though, which gives it some grounding.

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

#125
post #118

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Could be sarcasm but I don't Really see how one thing has to do anything with the other

Churchill famously remarked the film Ms. Miniver was worth, "either five battleships or 50 destroyers". Hollywood has immense propaganda value and is very effective at exporting American culture. It is independent though, which gives it some grounding.

not sure if you are overvaluing hollywoods influence to create a positive image about the U.S. or i am just not the target audience.

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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post #109

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The meaning of the compound words isn't predictable in general -- a library is not in fact a picture book museum. And remember that many multisyllabic words in English are composed of morphemes with a distinct meaning, with varying levels of compositionality. E.g. we would not say that "airport" is two words just because its meaning has something vaguely to do with the meanings of "air" and "port", or that "return" i…

Do you have any examples of multisyllable words in Mandarin which don't break down like this? I have yet to find one. Note that just because a word is a compound word doesn't mean it's not a word. A compound word has a meaning which is distinct from the sum of its parts; otherwise it wouldn't be used. But the meaning of a picture book museum, or fly machine, or language law, though, is still quite clear. But a librar…

>A compound word has a meaning which is distinct from the sum of its parts

Right. That's the point. This clearly shows that Chinese has multisyllabic words.

And yes, there are plenty of examples of compounds with meanings that have nothing to do with their components, e.g.:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E8%8A%B1%E7%94%9F

But of course, if you already have the preconception that the parts of a compound word are independently meaningful, it's easy to tell yourself some kind of story about how they actually do contribute something to the meaning of the whole. Similarly, there are cranks who insist that particular non-morphemic sound sequences in English carry an independent meaning.

It really is amazing how confused people can get by orthography. Chinese has words composed of multiple syllables whose parts are not independently meaningful. Period. Again, this is information that's available all over the place, e.g.:

http://www.101languages.net/chinese/morphology.html

Or from Wikipedia:

>The number of sounds in the different spoken dialects varies, but in general there has been a tendency to a reduction in sounds from Middle Chinese. The Mandarin dialects in particular have experienced a dramatic decrease in sounds and so have far more multisyllabic words than most other spoken varieties. The total number of syllables in some varieties is therefore only about a thousand, including tonal variation, which is only about an eighth as many as English.[b]

Or here:

http://linguistlist.org/ask-ling/message-details1.cfm?asklin...

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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>At least there are articles/opinions written down for what is happening in US which you can quote. For China, in many cases, you can't even do that given press/govt restrictions. Which Chinese news publications do you read?

Doesn't matter. Read this: http://time.com/4310607/china-press-freedom-media-xi-jinping... Also, are you really trying to say that press in China has unfettered rights to publish anything? This is a country which has a giant firewall to prevent users from reading news/articles critical of it published outside China.

So you can't read Chinese and have never read a Chinese newspaper.

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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post #119

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You have your numbers wrong. The US does spend... Well, hundreds of billions on making the world love US. The actual problem is two-fold: 1. We spend trillions on making them hate the US. 2. We aren't actually very efficient with the hundreds of billions we spend on making them love the US. It's spent on short-sighted projects that often transparently benefit the US at the cost of the locals. To some degree, this is…

What kind of efforts are you talking a out? From my perspective the hate against the US. is only growing with barely anything holding against that.

The US spends huge amounts on food, medicine, and development aid -- 32 billion a year in economic investments (as opposed to military, which is another 10 billion a year).

Since 9/11, the US has probably spent around 500 billion on helping countries develop, fighting famines, curing diseases, etc. We've just also spent something like 3 or 4 trillion on ineffective and damaging wars, spy programs, etc.

My point is that we're spending the money on goodwill already, we'rr just undermining it with other actions and not spending it effectively.

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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post #119

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What kind of efforts are you talking a out? From my perspective the hate against the US. is only growing with barely anything holding against that.

The US spends huge amounts on food, medicine, and development aid -- 32 billion a year in economic investments (as opposed to military, which is another 10 billion a year). Since 9/11, the US has probably spent around 500 billion on helping countries develop, fighting famines, curing diseases, etc. We've just also spent something like 3 or 4 trillion on ineffective and damaging wars, spy programs, etc. My point is th…

I guess that is why this happens totally unnoticed to many other western countries, if you cut it down to percentage on national income this is nothing compared to anyone else. On that scale United Arab Emirates did 6 times as much as the U.S.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals...

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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post #129

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The US spends huge amounts on food, medicine, and development aid -- 32 billion a year in economic investments (as opposed to military, which is another 10 billion a year). Since 9/11, the US has probably spent around 500 billion on helping countries develop, fighting famines, curing diseases, etc. We've just also spent something like 3 or 4 trillion on ineffective and damaging wars, spy programs, etc. My point is th…

I guess that is why this happens totally unnoticed to many other western countries, if you cut it down to percentage on national income this is nothing compared to anyone else. On that scale United Arab Emirates did 6 times as much as the U.S. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals...

I'm sorry, I don't understand your point.

Could you explain?

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