Muslim Women in India Ask Top Court to Ban Instant Divorce
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#2A marriage should end when either of the parties want it to end, or else it's no longer consensual. I don't believe in forcing people to stay married. But divorce still needs to mean splitting the finances so nobody is left destitute and without skills for employment. Alimony was invented for a reason. Before it existed, divorce was immensely cruel.
(Contrast: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/mar/24/tini-ow... )
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#3That's incredibly unfortunate... in areas like that, people hardly know a thing about Islam but can label themselves Muslims and then pretend they're practicing it. Preference of boys over girls as children in Islam is a huge sin -- written so explicitly in the Qur'an. But the families and people described in the story clearly don't care and thus are hardly Muslims. I hope she finds a safer setting soon.
With that said, divorce in a Muslim setting is no free lunch. The couple agrees before the marriage on a certain amount of money (or any other thing) given to the woman in case of divorce. The only time that isn't given is when the woman asks for it herself (for obvious reasons -- the woman can 'play' the man into a marriage in very lenient divorce terms, and divorce on purpose afterwards for it). Not sure what the terms of divorce were for this woman and her past 3 marriages, but she should be careful what she agrees on.
Re: Muslim Women in India Ask Top Court to Ban Instant Divorce
#4That's incredibly unfortunate... in areas like that, people hardly know a thing about Islam but can label themselves Muslims and then pretend they're practicing it. Preference of boys over girls as children in Islam is a huge sin -- written so explicitly in the Qur'an. But the families and people described in the story clearly don't care and thus are hardly Muslims. I hope she finds a safer setting soon. With that sa…
If you think any of those things are absolutes then you are in for a bad time
Even Shariah relies on interpretation
Re: Muslim Women in India Ask Top Court to Ban Instant Divorce
#5A marriage should end when either of the parties want it to end, or else it's no longer consensual. I don't believe in forcing people to stay married. But divorce still needs to mean splitting the finances so nobody is left destitute and without skills for employment. Alimony was invented for a reason. Before it existed, divorce was immensely cruel. (Contrast: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/mar/24/tini…
Doesn't the US has something like a 51% divorce rate? if you accept the premise that the nuclear family is a cornerstone of western civilization I can see why you would not be ecstatic at the idea of making marriage a trivial thing. Should we allow the individual to have every one of its desires in reach of fulfillment?
Though I concede that there is a point in allowing unhappy marriages to part away, after all, why live unhappy when someone else just for the sake of conforming. However, if appealing on the surface; I wonder if that could be in fact a local optimum that negatively affects society on the long term. I'm genuinely curious to know what do you think?
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#6That's incredibly unfortunate... in areas like that, people hardly know a thing about Islam but can label themselves Muslims and then pretend they're practicing it. Preference of boys over girls as children in Islam is a huge sin -- written so explicitly in the Qur'an. But the families and people described in the story clearly don't care and thus are hardly Muslims. I hope she finds a safer setting soon. With that sa…
>Preference of boys over girls as children in Islam is a huge sin -- written so explicitly in the Qur'an.
anyone who doesn't follow the book to the tee is not a muslim ? What about Muslims who don't 'kill the infidels' , they aren't Muslims either? Is anyone a muslim at all then?
Re: Muslim Women in India Ask Top Court to Ban Instant Divorce
#7That's incredibly unfortunate... in areas like that, people hardly know a thing about Islam but can label themselves Muslims and then pretend they're practicing it. Preference of boys over girls as children in Islam is a huge sin -- written so explicitly in the Qur'an. But the families and people described in the story clearly don't care and thus are hardly Muslims. I hope she finds a safer setting soon. With that sa…
If you think any of those things are absolutes then you are in for a bad time Even Shariah relies on interpretation
Are you claiming it's an opinion or something "up for interpretation" whether it's a sin to prefer boys over girls in Islam? Or it's an opinion or only an interpretation that woman are allowed an agreement before the marriage regarding the circumstances for divorce in Islam?
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#8That's incredibly unfortunate... in areas like that, people hardly know a thing about Islam but can label themselves Muslims and then pretend they're practicing it. Preference of boys over girls as children in Islam is a huge sin -- written so explicitly in the Qur'an. But the families and people described in the story clearly don't care and thus are hardly Muslims. I hope she finds a safer setting soon. With that sa…
>Preference of boys over girls as children in Islam is a huge sin -- written so explicitly in the Qur'an. anyone who doesn't follow the book to the tee is not a muslim ? What about Muslims who don't 'kill the infidels' , they aren't Muslims either? Is anyone a muslim at all then?
Exactly. Literal reading of sacred texts isn't exactly the answer to dealing with the incompatibility of religious dogma with modern secular western values.
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#9That's incredibly unfortunate... in areas like that, people hardly know a thing about Islam but can label themselves Muslims and then pretend they're practicing it. Preference of boys over girls as children in Islam is a huge sin -- written so explicitly in the Qur'an. But the families and people described in the story clearly don't care and thus are hardly Muslims. I hope she finds a safer setting soon. With that sa…
>Preference of boys over girls as children in Islam is a huge sin -- written so explicitly in the Qur'an. anyone who doesn't follow the book to the tee is not a muslim ? What about Muslims who don't 'kill the infidels' , they aren't Muslims either? Is anyone a muslim at all then?
It's a matter of belief. I made the assumption that those people "probably don't care", implying they probably don't believe that something like that's a sin. When you don't believe in it, you're not a Muslim. If they still believe in it and yet do it, it's a major sin indeed, and they are still Muslims. But Muslims possibly bound for hell.
'Killing the infidels' isn't a requirement of action nor are you bound by belief to do so to be a Muslim. Can you cite a full Surah from the Qur'an where this is unequivocally required of Muslims, under all circumstances?
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Preference of boys over girls as children in Islam is a huge sin -- written so explicitly in the Qur'an. anyone who doesn't follow the book to the tee is not a muslim ? What about Muslims who don't 'kill the infidels' , they aren't Muslims either? Is anyone a muslim at all then?
Exactly. Literal reading of sacred texts isn't exactly the answer to dealing with the incompatibility of religious dogma with modern secular western values.
I agree with you, there are so many places in religious texts where we would be ridiculous and possibly have some evil agenda to read the text literally. But in other places, we have 'proof' (if you will) from the "Sunnah" (way) of the last Islamic Prophet regarding those exact things, so there's no debate nor room for interpretation. For this particular point, we have too much "proof" (in the same regard), so that's why there's no room for interpretation here and the question of reading things literally is irrelevant.