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China is spending billions on soft power

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Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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We can (and should) complain about this, but the sins of another do not dismiss your own.

Yeah - as I said, I'm not saying China is without sin. I just find China bashing to really be nothing more than an exercise of "pulling the ladder up". Europe was perfectly happy colonising the world in its heyday, as was America in the past. Now that they've entrenched their position in the world, suddenly it's not ok when other people are trying to climb the ladder.

You are implying that China _must_ behave this way in order to become a developed country and then they can adjust to modern standards. Seems silly to me.

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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so China is - lead by a billionnaire dictator and son of veteran communist party member, who has shown to purge his enemies, jail innocents/reporters without trial, disappear others. He oppresses the will of hong kongers to self govern, and acts like a crybaby whenever Taiwan, a self-governing democracy, does anything political - controlled by a "congress" of billionnaires, who work together to exploit workers for pe…

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Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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Case in point... that read like propaganda to me.

are you serious? It's crazy to see point blank the effects of western brainwashing on people. Open your eyes. What China is doing is nowhere close to colonization

How would you characterize what's happening in Africa with regards to China? Am genuinely curious.

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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As it stands, this doesn't sound dissimilar to America (which also spends billions on making the world love it in the name of soft power)

Boo. False equivalency. Can we acknowledge that this is the favored argument by authoritarian propaganda machines and it's a baseless distraction? It has no place here. More: http://www.npr.org/2017/03/17/520435073/trump-embraces-one-o...

The article explicitly cites Nye and how American concept of soft power is being adopted by authoritarian regimes.

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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>They ...do not have free healthcare [no citations necessary] When I lived and worked in China, for a government entity, the insurance didn't cover anything I ever needed it for and I had to pay out of pocket 100% of the time for all costs. The private healthcare industry is exploding in China right now because the public healthcare system is inadequate. There is no such thing as free healthcare. Even if you install…

> people die on waiting lists like in Canada People die on waiting lists in America too, so if you are going to make this argument, be specific. How many people, what are they on the waiting list for, and how is it worse than what we have in America?

The answer is in just one word to the left of that quote: "_more_ people die on waiting lists like in Canada."

It's not that the free market provides a panacea utopia, it's that it's empirically better than everything else. The government system in Canada predictably and steadily broke down as efficiency left due to the lack of a free market.

>The study, an annual survey of physicians from across Canada, reports a median wait time of 20 weeks [in 2016] —the longest ever recorded—and more than double the 9.3 weeks Canadians waited in 1993 [when single-payer began], when the Fraser Institute began tracking wait times for medically necessary elective treatments.

http://canadafreepress.com/article/canadas-health-care-wait-...

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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so China is - lead by a billionnaire dictator and son of veteran communist party member, who has shown to purge his enemies, jail innocents/reporters without trial, disappear others. He oppresses the will of hong kongers to self govern, and acts like a crybaby whenever Taiwan, a self-governing democracy, does anything political - controlled by a "congress" of billionnaires, who work together to exploit workers for pe…

As it stands, this doesn't sound dissimilar to America (which also spends billions on making the world love it in the name of soft power)

The US is also still largely a transparent democracy. By soft-power do you mean the only modern country so defined by its achievements that it's culture is emulated across the world?

In the former Soviet Union and even in modern China it's fashionable and a sign of wealth to have American technology and fashion. Among many trade barriers, China artificially limits the number of American movies allowed in theaters to a couple a year because they're so popular.

Even countries with extremely friendly relations to the US take some actions to limit the pervasiveness of US culture. In the case of Japan, limiting the number of US baseball players on Japanese teams comes to mind.

It's telling that even with the magnitude of recent intel leaks there has been nothing found to indicate the US uses government funded propaganda. They don't need to.

Not to go too off my chain too much on why US culture is looked up to, but we're talking about the country that invented the car,microchip, transistor, computer, atomic weapons, GPS, and the internet.

Most of the great inventions of modern history were created in the United States, some of them by the government itself. Silicon valley continues to pump out the most valuable companies in the world at an astounding rate to this day.

So what is soft power exactly? Is it bad that a lot of countries look up to the US model of society? Is that unfair? Your claim is baseless, American culture is popular simply because the US is so successful.

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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Smart move, the path is wide open for China. The most remembered phrase of the orange demagogue inaugural address was "America first, always". As a non-American I'd argue that "me first" are words that a leader should never say, even when it is what he always believed. I might start learning Mandarin, someday.

>The most remembered phrase of the orange demagogue inaugural address was "America first, always"

I feel very good putting America first. Countries that do not protect themselves are exploited and overrun. Always. It has always happened and it always will happen.

Do you really think China has good intentions?

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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> Since 2004 China has established some 500 government-funded “Confucius Institutes” in 140 countries. These offer language classes, host dance troupes and teach Chinese cooking.

Sounds like a state-run version of Alliance Française (which is a nonprofit). I think that'll be really cool: China has a really old history and culture (the latter part wrecked with the rise of communism). The only thing though is that China should be prepared for increased immigration (it tends to happen when you go out and teach your language and culture, and your home country is a nicer place to live).

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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The difference between a communist and a capitalist society. With Hollywood, the USA profits billions to make the world love it. :-)

I mean, China does have an active movie industry, as well. Along with Hong Kong, which many just collate with China heh India has Bollywood. Both have garnered quite a following in the West thanks to that.

I almost burst out laughing. China and India are nowhere close to the US movie industry's influence around the world.

Re: China is spending billions on soft power

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There's a soft power war going on in Asia. Korea has a major effort to make K-pop a major cultural influence. Korean drama has become an export. In response, Japan has the Cool Japan Fund [1], funded by the Government and some of the big banks. They now run the largest anime translation operation, and a large anime site, "daisuki.net". (Somebody should propose to the Cool Japan Fund that they do something to make Jap…

Yeah I remember when Japan was hot (manga/anime) then it was S Korea (Haliu wave), at least in South East Asia. But the soft power war is not so clear cut though. Like Viki streams mostly K-dramas but it's owned by Japanese company Rakuten. China on the other hand is definitely playing that game. Like only last month they banned most imported children's picture books, especially from SK and Japan, and they've pumped…

China is getting better at this, but it's not going well. Too many Chinese movies are period pieces, fantasies, or are not set in China, because the censorship on present-day topics is strict. China's movie censorship is explicit; at the beginning of a movie you'll see the golden dragon logo of the censorship authority. This limits the topics of movies.

There are feature films produced directly by the People's Liberation Army, such as "Sky Fighters". This is the Chinese version of "Top Gun". It's not very good, because the entertainment takes second place to the propaganda. It's possible to do a good feature film which is also propaganda; "Strategic Air Command" with Jimmy Stewart is one such. But China isn't there yet.

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