I know what you are going to say: "There are plenty of IT jobs, just not enough at the salaries, us american programmers feel entitled to"
Bay Area professionals indicted for H-1B visa fraud
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#102Every time a thread comes up on whether H-1B visa fraud exists there a cohort of posters who maintain that they've never seen it and that people who say that it happens are just racist and xenophobic. Remember this thread, and ones like it.
Actually a significant number are little more than knee-jerk racism with "all 'em jerbs are belong to me" attitude. Ohh and anecdotes galore how horrible h1bs are, and how an american white knight had to come save the day. Remember this too.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
I probably hold a minority opinion, but I wish that the US would take millions of immigrants every year, up to even ten million(!). And people from OECD countries could come automatically as they pleased, ideally like a Schengen Area that extended throughout the whole OECD, with hope of eventually including the entire world.
Yeah I'm not sure you've paid attention to the effect that this has had on employment levels in several European countries, and on adherence to employment legislation.
Please, stop spreading allegedly false information without backing it up.
UK's unemployment levels are at a record low - is that the effect "this" (sic) has had on employment levels? Or are you referring to wages?
Apart from the other studies that have been cited in other responses, you have the LSE study on wages: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/05/11/immigration-from-th...
If you have any data to back up your claims, please produce it, because I can't find any for the life of me.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd hazard a guess that a computer professional who was unable to use google to determine a salary range for his education and experience is probably worth at the bottom. The ones I know at the top end (and the $500k figure is low) are well aware of the value they bring to a corporation, and price accordingly.
For example, suppose a corporation has a $100m server farm. If a programmer could make the server software run 1% faster, that's worth $1m to the corporation, and they'd likely be willing to bid $500k for such expertise.
You're assuming they can't find anyone that will do it for less than 500k.
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#105Is there any study analyzing performance between H-1B tech workers and remote tech workers? (i.e. how being in the same building or working in different time zone affects planning and performance)
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure how European unemployment can be blamed on Schengen.
Western European unemployment. Check out the demographic increases in western European countries. Ireland's population has increased 50% in 10-15 years and a majority of it is accounted for by immigration from poorer countries within the Schengen. Now the disparity in wealth between even poor and wealthy European countries isn't anything like the disparity between countries at a global level, but you reckon that anyb…
> Ireland's population has increased 50% in 10-15 years and a majority of it is accounted for by immigration from poorer countries within the Schengen.
Hence why unemployment is going back to pre-crisis levels in Ireland, right?: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ireland/unemployment-rate
This is like your third comment bashing Freedom of Movement inside the EU without single proof to back it up. I'd like to let you know I have downvoted those three comments of yours for being not only wrong, but for trying to spread false information. If you support that it's not false, please produce the evidence. I am open minded about the topic.
> Now the disparity in wealth between even poor and wealthy European countries isn't anything like the disparity between countries at a global level, but you reckon that anybody should be able to move to the US to work.
The wealth gap between poor and wealthy EU countries is closing down thanks to the Single Market. That's the idea behind it, get together countries with wealth disparity and help the poorer become stronger, which in turn helps the rest by adding more wealthy buyers to your market. It's a win-win and it has worked wonders.
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#107The problem with H1-B's is what in Spain we call "ni chicha ni limoná" - which means that it is something half-baked or half-way from being A or B.
H1-B seems to increase competition among workers, but in fact it does not, because H1-B workers are captive workers. They don't enjoy the same rights as their local counterparts. They can't leave the company and start applying for other jobs.
This leads to abuse from businesses.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe it's the "selectively free market". Free when it makes things convenient for me (I can hire cheap labor), not free when it makes things inconvenient (I don't compete against cheap labor or other business which might be more competitive here if they could hire the same cheap labor).
Or maybe "we want fully free market for whatever we produce but not for when someone competes for my job"? :) HN comments usually skew hugely against any kind of regulation and towards "free market will take care of it", except when it comes to jobs and pay it seems.
Yes, that's a good way of putting it. Free market is often a layer of rhetoric on top of arguments for whatever deregulation makes you the most money.
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#109This thread is great. Whenever H-1B threads come up on HN, I prepare for the onslaught of what can only be described as hatred. It's the view of many people on this site that all H-1B holders are "cheaters" of the system, and they don't deserve to get a job in the US. As a former H-1B holder, the threads always made me feel guilty, and feel bad about wanting to work for a well regarded, successful company. It's nice,…
You're confusing this site with Slashdot.I don't think any HNers believe that all H1-B holders see cheaters. We do realize the H1-B scheme is relatively easy to cheat.
I have seen both sides to this. I've worked with brilliant developers on H1-B visas who were brought in as the system intended. I've also seen lots of job postings that were tailored to meet the requirements of a H1-B position, i.e. Poorly formatted, unintelligible, word salad with impossible requirements.
Disneyland firing their IT staff and replacing all of them with an exclusive H1-B outsourcer raised all kinds of alarms. It was stories like these that made the government scrutinize those visa schemes further. Glad to see people going to jail for it.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah I'm not sure you've paid attention to the effect that this has had on employment levels in several European countries, and on adherence to employment legislation.
Please, stop spreading allegedly false information without backing it up. UK's unemployment levels are at a record low - is that the effect "this" (sic) has had on employment levels? Or are you referring to wages? Apart from the other studies that have been cited in other responses, you have the LSE study on wages: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/05/11/immigration-from-th... If you have any data to back up your cl…
Of course they're at a low now at the peak of the recovery, fuck me. I'm not claiming that immigration increased massively and affected employment levels all within the last week. I'm talking about the changes that have occurred over the course of 15 years, and through the recession, which is why I used to term "paid attention" rather than "noticed", implying a past-looking perspective.
There is a ton of data to "back up my claims" because it's just what happened, and you should be aware of it.
Page 86 onwards in this OECD report for example.
https://books.google.ie/books?id=bRjX9W3EjZQC&pg=PA3&dq=Inte...
Or you can simply look up social welfare activation for foreign nationals vs unemployment rates. Or you can look at demographic increases by nationality and compare them to employment rates by industry. Do your own work and stop trying to rewrite history.