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Bay Area professionals indicted for H-1B visa fraud

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Re: Bay Area professionals indicted for H-1B visa fraud

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I wonder why people here praise free competition on a global market as a primary value when they talk about their products and services, but support competition limiting when it comes to the labor market in their own country.

Because they are acting in their own best interest and rationalize away the cognitive dissonance.

Re: Bay Area professionals indicted for H-1B visa fraud

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I wonder why people here praise free competition on a global market as a primary value when they talk about their products and services, but support competition limiting when it comes to the labor market in their own country.

The current system is already competition limiting! We're not selecting the best workers but rather we're choosing workers based on special interests. The easiest fix is to actually have competition, and make employers bid on visas.

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I wonder why people here praise free competition on a global market as a primary value when they talk about their products and services, but support competition limiting when it comes to the labor market in their own country.

It's not about competition limiting, it's about unfair pricing and abuse. It's not fair to replace a local worker with a foreign worker because they're cheaper . And, there are tons and tons of staffing firms who systematically abuse the H1B program - they funnel workers from different countries (especially India), often mistreat them / threaten them / underpay them.

> It's not fair to replace a local worker with a foreign worker because they're cheaper.

Why not? I'd argue that it is more unfair that an American worker gets paid many times more than an Indian worker even when they do exactly the same job. Letting those Indian workers come to America and compete on more equal terms is among the fairest things you can do.

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Whenever people moan about enforcement of white-collar-crime laws, I can't help but think about the last scene in The Wolf of Wall Street: after a short stint in prison, DiCaprio's scummy businessman is still rich and admired, while the FBI guy who took him down shares a cheap subway ride with other poor, tired and depressed workers. Incentives are wrong all over the place, Reaganism made authorities fundamentally po…

You've highlighted a contradiction in the general public which I find quite disturbing. The worship and admiration of the very people (or even companies, in some cases) who screw them over.

That applies to a range of social situations.

Ever heard the saying, "Treat them like dirt, they'll cling to you like mud?"

Re: Bay Area professionals indicted for H-1B visa fraud

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It's annoying that SV tech companies get a bad rap with the H-1B even though that the real people abusing these visas are clearly outsourcing firms like Tata and Infosys.

Aren't you ignoring the fact that companies uses outsourcing firms like Tata and Infosys? If there aren't any demand for them then they wouldn't exist. So they're just the middle man for poorer companies to abuse. SV tech companies, especially the larger ones, can afford to sponsor and go through these process. > https://qz.com/899306/will-the-h-1b-be-worth-it-for-indian-i... There are quite a few of them in the list…

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Re: Bay Area professionals indicted for H-1B visa fraud

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post #71

I wonder why people here praise free competition on a global market as a primary value when they talk about their products and services, but support competition limiting when it comes to the labor market in their own country.

Because they are acting in their own best interest and rationalize away the cognitive dissonance.

Succinct and true.

Re: Bay Area professionals indicted for H-1B visa fraud

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I'm told that people in these situations often simply don't consider leaving for mostly irrational reasons. It's been described to me as something like "it's a big scary world out there, whereas the local community feels like an extension of nice familiar Ahmedebad." One of the people who told me about this (he was Malayalum) said he was uncomfortable when he came to the US because all the doctors were Bengali. They…

>(he was Malayalum) should be "He was a Malayali (speaker of Malayalam)" or "he was a Keralite" (native of the state of Kerala, where Malalayalam is the language).

Thanks.

Re: Bay Area professionals indicted for H-1B visa fraud

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I wonder why people here praise free competition on a global market as a primary value when they talk about their products and services, but support competition limiting when it comes to the labor market in their own country.

I probably hold a minority opinion, but I wish that the US would take millions of immigrants every year, up to even ten million(!). And people from OECD countries could come automatically as they pleased, ideally like a Schengen Area that extended throughout the whole OECD, with hope of eventually including the entire world.

Re: Bay Area professionals indicted for H-1B visa fraud

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So long as a loophole exists that satisfy the conditions of being relatively easy to exploit, weakly enforcement, and offer significant competitive advantage (i.e. savings on salaries), companies will exploit it. Finding loopholes in the system to enhance profits and be more competitive is part of a game. So I find it difficult to blame employers. The problem lies in policy and enforcement; something is very wrong if…

Whenever people moan about enforcement of white-collar-crime laws, I can't help but think about the last scene in The Wolf of Wall Street: after a short stint in prison, DiCaprio's scummy businessman is still rich and admired, while the FBI guy who took him down shares a cheap subway ride with other poor, tired and depressed workers. Incentives are wrong all over the place, Reaganism made authorities fundamentally po…

I agree, here's a great quote by Terry Pratchett on how I think the world should feel about these crimes...

“but what should we do when the highborn and wealthy take to crime? Indeed, if a poor man will spend a year in prison for stealing out of hunger, how high would the gallows need to be to hang the rich man who breaks the law out of greed?”

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That sounds like free market though doesn't it? Hire the cheapest workforce that can do what you want?

Not quite IMHO. Free market requires equal conditions for the available workforce pool. Then, the worker is free to set his price. Not the other way around.

It's not free market but H-1B makes the market freer. If you want a truly free market, allow free immigration similar to what the U.S. did with some races before about 1910.
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