It's annoying that SV tech companies get a bad rap with the H-1B even though that the real people abusing these visas are clearly outsourcing firms like Tata and Infosys.
It's not Tata and Infosys either. Those guys are too big to avoid playing more or less by the rules. The actual people playing games like this are small time bodyshops. It'll be two cousins from Ahmedebad starting a shop in the US and hiring a bunch of locals via their personal network. They then attempt to socially isolate their employees, getting them set up in the local Guju community, so they don't talk to outsid…
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#62I wonder why people here praise free competition on a global market as a primary value when they talk about their products and services, but support competition limiting when it comes to the labor market in their own country.
It's not about competition limiting, it's about unfair pricing and abuse. It's not fair to replace a local worker with a foreign worker because they're cheaper . And, there are tons and tons of staffing firms who systematically abuse the H1B program - they funnel workers from different countries (especially India), often mistreat them / threaten them / underpay them.
I think you just disagreed with the concept of globalization. Granted that human resources are more complex than other resources. However, judging by your use of term "unfair pricing" on human, you seem to make no distinction between them in this discussion.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
That sounds like free market though doesn't it? Hire the cheapest workforce that can do what you want?
Maybe it's the "selectively free market". Free when it makes things convenient for me (I can hire cheap labor), not free when it makes things inconvenient (I don't compete against cheap labor or other business which might be more competitive here if they could hire the same cheap labor).
HN comments usually skew hugely against any kind of regulation and towards "free market will take care of it", except when it comes to jobs and pay it seems.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not Tata and Infosys either. Those guys are too big to avoid playing more or less by the rules. The actual people playing games like this are small time bodyshops. It'll be two cousins from Ahmedebad starting a shop in the US and hiring a bunch of locals via their personal network. They then attempt to socially isolate their employees, getting them set up in the local Guju community, so they don't talk to outsid…
They play by the rules, but they still game the system. The skill they require is widely available among US residents, just not at the wage they want to pay; and they can pay less because they can afford a high turnover among their H1B applicants. Furthermore, they don't really care _which_ of their thousands of candidates actually win the H1B lottery, which is another sign that their applicants' skills are not in sh…
Meanwhile, whoever really (tries to get) an H1B because they really need their talent have a 1/3 chance of getting them
It's a complete joke http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/no-us-jobs-junior-infos...
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#67https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/34ncju6ac/california-north...
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure how anyone could be prevented from using google to research how much they are worth. Edit: To clarify, I am commenting on the parent's remark that employers are preventing employees from finding this out.
I'm told that people in these situations often simply don't consider leaving for mostly irrational reasons. It's been described to me as something like "it's a big scary world out there, whereas the local community feels like an extension of nice familiar Ahmedebad." One of the people who told me about this (he was Malayalum) said he was uncomfortable when he came to the US because all the doctors were Bengali. They…
should be "He was a Malayali (speaker of Malayalam)" or "he was a Keralite" (native of the state of Kerala, where Malalayalam is the language).
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#69I've personally witnessed the hiring of a contractor from India at a small development company simply to save on funds. There were plenty of skilled workers in our pool to fill the position, the owner simply didn't want to pay the price. Weeks into his employment the developer came to me and asked if there was anyone he could report work complaints to. I gave him contact information for the state's employment agency.…
So long as a loophole exists that satisfy the conditions of being relatively easy to exploit, weakly enforcement, and offer significant competitive advantage (i.e. savings on salaries), companies will exploit it. Finding loopholes in the system to enhance profits and be more competitive is part of a game. So I find it difficult to blame employers. The problem lies in policy and enforcement; something is very wrong if…