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Re: Amazon's Tepid Response to Counterfeiters Frustrates Sellers

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There is probably a calculation that the feds will be reticent to do that to an Amazon warehouse as they're generally major employers in the areas they're built in.

There was a great Bloomberg Decrypted podcast a couple weeks ago weighing the costs and benefits for a small town in offering a multi-million dollar subsidy for thousands of low-skill Amazon warehouse jobs. Is it really worth subsidizing at all when the government will have to fund various welfare programs to cover the difference between the ~$10.00/hr paid and a livable wage? But since towns compete and prestige is…

Mother Jones did a major piece on this several years ago.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/mac-mcclelland-f...

Re: Amazon's Tepid Response to Counterfeiters Frustrates Sellers

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I've been uneasy at the whole "FBA" concept for a while, and I've certainly used Amazon much less as a result.

I'm not sure what they are thinking here, to be honest. I don't want to use another eBay; I stopped using it entirely due to scammers and paypal. I previously had some trust that Amazon was buying and reselling genuine products, and I no longer do.

If FBA was restricted to original manufacturers who provide their own inventory, I'd have little to complain about. But thousands of unknown vendors acting as yet another middle man and pushing cheap counterfeit crap add no value at all, in my opinion. They do nothing but tarnish Amazon's reputation.

Re: Amazon's Tepid Response to Counterfeiters Frustrates Sellers

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I private label. Amazon's respose process for this is completely broken. Right now we are having several entities jump on; as part of our process for getting counterfieters off of our listibgs we make test buys; probably 10 buyers have sent exactly the same email, including a weird space between a word and a comma.

Want to know how truly bad it is?

Look at this listing: https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00DVKJXFE/ref=dp_ol...

Re: Amazon's Tepid Response to Counterfeiters Frustrates Sellers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I'm curious how you came to the conclusion they're major employers where their warehouses are. As far as I can tell each warehouse is about 1,000 full-time jobs. If I look at a list of warehouse locations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Amazon.com_locations They're pretty much universally a rounding error for total population and jobs in their respective metro areas.

1,000 full time employees is pretty big these days. The highly touted Carrier deal amounted to maybe 700 jobs. Elizabeth Warren made an announcement about the big new Amazon distribution center in Fall River. It's supposedly Amazon's biggest, and I recall it was about 1,000 jobs. So they are doing more with the same headcount.

1,000 jobs is about what the American economy creates every two hours. Politicians tout these deals because they know that most voters are clueless about the magnitudes involved.

Re: Amazon's Tepid Response to Counterfeiters Frustrates Sellers

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I was recently trying to buy AKG K712 headphones on Amazon last week and many of the units sold as "New" and fulfilled by Amazon were actually used or refurbished. I literally went through 4 different units from different FBA merchants before I gave up and bought it on the official Harmon audio store instead.

One-day delivery is nice, but I'd rather wait a couple weeks and pay extra if it means getting an authentic unit.

Re: Amazon's Tepid Response to Counterfeiters Frustrates Sellers

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Counterfeit products seem to becoming a near universal problem. It's not just amazon, but other marketplaces (eBay, taobao etc). Even seems like major electronic component suppliers fall foul of this sometimes (digikey). I can really only see three solutions: 1. We just buy everything direct from the supplier. Companies like amazon manage distribution. 2. We provide tools to allow the consumer to track the supply cha…

Your solution #2 is one of the major selling points of "blockchain".

Unfortunately the hard part is getting everyone along a supply-chain to participate in a new tracking standard that could easily reveal valuable information to competitors. So it's probably not going to be adopted except in cases where counterfeiting is an obviously greater threat.

Re: Amazon's Tepid Response to Counterfeiters Frustrates Sellers

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I purchased Quickbooks Pro 2017 (PC) on Amazon last week, said it was "sold by Intuit" so wasn't even supposed to be an FBA (fulfilled by Amazon). Figured if it costs no more I might as well get the physical disk. What showed up was a DVD case with a very clearly photocopied cover for a Mac version with a Verbatim CDR inside and a hacked version of the software. Amazon processed the refund just fine but didn't seem p…

I've been a long term customer as well. From what I've seen they just really don't give a toss about their customer. They make a lot of money and don't have to do anything via their market.

Only solution... stop using Amazon. Go elsewhere for everything.

Re: Amazon's Tepid Response to Counterfeiters Frustrates Sellers

#188
Throwaway for various reasons.

Amazon seller / vendor here with over $5MM in annual sales.

We sell to both Amazon directly and fulfill via FBA when PO's are delayed due to their archaic purchasing system.

Let me tell you guys what the real problem is, you ready for it? CHINA

When Bezos opened up the platform to Chinese sellers in 2015, they FLOODED the market with not only counterfeit items but straight illegal business practices (the notion of piggybacking on listings and selling an item for 50-90% less than normal and never actually shipping a product until they get banned. Rinse and repeat).

The other side of the problem is the American consumer: I want it fast and for as cheap as possible. Some of the worst customers are in the US; they "rent" products and return them used and incomplete before the 30-day return window. Even worse, during Q4 when Amazon gives them 90-days to rent something for free. The American consumer is a big part of the problem and Bezos and friends simply know how to take advantage of this and bump up their bottom line for shareholders.

Amazon DOES NOT CARE because they take fees on each purchase sold by the Chinese trolls.

And like someone previously stated, before a major tier-1 brand gets burned hard, nothing will change.

Apple doesn't sell to Amazon, they don't need to. They have their own channels which are incredibly successful.

The small brands suffer and they suffer simply and purely because of the Chinese.

Most (>95%) Chinese sellers are cancer to the platform. But the consumer is seldom damaged because of Amazon's (still great) customer service.

Get rid of the Chinese and most of this will be resolved. Joe Blow isn't counterfeiting products and selling them on Amazon. At least 9/10 times.

The solution is two-fold:

1) Severely limit anyone without a legitimate US-based company (registered entity, taxed, EIN, etc) to sell on Amazon. Further, require bonds, throttle traffic, limit the number of ASINs "new sellers" can list on, initiate tariffs for non-US sellers (government can only do this).

2. Consumers simply need education that buying on Amazon today is a different game. Their risk is high and the reward low. PR and articles like this help but more consumers need to educate themselves on what is happening. But this is not easy - when you want the cheapest possible price, you're going to the new Amazon Bazaar.

So the mindset of the American consumer is flawed and Amazon plays into this beautifully. They're not stupid and they know exactly what's going on.

There are many technical comments here and they are all righteous. But the problem is a very top-level problem. It is simply the Chinese. Period.

Limit the Chinese and Amazon will be the Amazon of old.

Chinese (or any non-US) sellers should absolutely NOT be allowed to sell anything on Amazon.com. They don't pay income tax and this is simply another loophole Amazon has found in their domination of cheap e-commerce.

This doesn't happen anywhere else in the world. If you sell a product in Europe, you're on the hook for VAT, import taxes, etc.

Not the case in the US of A.

Big systemwide changes are needed.

As an aside: Shit will definitely hit the fan soon and Amazon will start to feel it. But it will take time. Their brand is already suffering due to this counterfeiting mess and it's not getting any better. As someone who used to buy everything on Amazon, I don't buy much anymore. I'd rather go to the brand's site and purchase directly or a brick and mortar.

Re: Amazon's Tepid Response to Counterfeiters Frustrates Sellers

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It's trivially easy to run into counterfeit products on Amazon. Here's an example I pulled up in 2 minutes of searching: https://www.amazon.com/Apple-A1385-Adapter-Charger-iPhone/dp... I see two sellers offering an iPhone charger, ostensibly genuine and new, as low as USD 3.19. Compare with the Apple listing for the same item for USD 19: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD810LL/A/apple-5w-usb-pow... There is no way…

> There is no way you can be selling the genuine product at that price and be making a profit. Am I missing where the ad says it's a genuine Apple product? I see that it says "compatible", but that's clearly a fake to me. Not that it wouldn't trick some people, but I can't really blame Amazon for that. It's a knockoff. I think if someone goes onto Amazon and buys a phone charger for half the price of a genuine charge…

The listing says, and I quote: "Apple A1385 USB Cube Adapter ..." (in the title) and "Includes 1 Apple certified charger cube". I'd bet that neither is true.

Re: Amazon's Tepid Response to Counterfeiters Frustrates Sellers

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It's trivially easy to run into counterfeit products on Amazon. Here's an example I pulled up in 2 minutes of searching: https://www.amazon.com/Apple-A1385-Adapter-Charger-iPhone/dp... I see two sellers offering an iPhone charger, ostensibly genuine and new, as low as USD 3.19. Compare with the Apple listing for the same item for USD 19: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD810LL/A/apple-5w-usb-pow... There is no way…

This is actually a different scam that's been going on recently. These "just launched" sellers show up for about 1/10th the actual price and when you buy from them they just won't ever send anything. Their strategy is to delay as long as possible and hope Amazon gives them their first payment before they finally get shut down. I sell on Amazon via FBA and the counterfeiting and scamming is unbelievable. I'm glad to s…

If you look, the same listing has 5 fulfilled-by-amazon shippers as well :-)
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