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Higher end roles are architecture. If it's development, you're a developer.
Google and Amazon have plenty of SRE / System engineers and roles with "developer" in it. All of them write code. And, thankfully, no architects.
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For sure. As a sysadmin/network admin/IT manager, it's a buyers market. As a DevOps/infrastructure engineer, it's a seller's market. I think training is part of the problem. More importantly, workers need consulting help around how to take existing skills and use them to apply to upmarket jobs with higher pay.
DevOps/infrastructure engineer is basically a programming position, which sysadmin/IT types may not have strong skills in.
Unless you are arguing that people never did large scale automation of processes around deploying systems and software until this term existed...
In my personal vocabulary - there were always 2 kinds of sysadmins:
- Real sysadmins- which is now the term 'DevOps'
- IT System Technicians - which is what sysadmin is being perverted into
The old-style breakdown typically depended on how systems/development minded the company was - with more forward looking companies seeing their sysadmins as the former category and people who "administered" e.g. 'tended to' the IT "system", and the reactive companies who viewed IT as some foreign expense to be managed viewing their sysadmins as advanced IT techs who were 'admins' (in the administrative assistant sense) for the various 'systems' (e.g. computers) that they purchased.
As someone who always operated in the mindset of the former category, but unfortunately has operated mostly in the latter type of company, it is difficult to make the transition into 'DevOps' roles since this term has been subsequently invented to describe the work that I always did, using tools that I would have written from scratch myself in the old days, or deployed myself in the current days, but unfortunately due to crappy management and backwards modes of thinking, don't have the proper 'current' job-title on my resume (e.g. sysadmin)
Re: San Jose and Oakland area job markets tumble
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unpopular opinion: Nah, it's an IQ issue. It's really not a (short-term) training issue, at least.
For that to be true I suspect you'd also have to believe near zero nuance in the bell.
Re: San Jose and Oakland area job markets tumble
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I think you should consider that they may well be right, and that they can't find work at a rate they expect due to H1Bs working for less. People tend to know more about their own lives than you do about theirs.
You're missing/not addressing two important points. First, as I pointed out, it's much easier cognitively to blame an external circumstance than your own skills deficit. Second, any sort of expansion of the labor pool will tend to depress wages. If you can't find work at a rate you expect, you need to either lower your expectations or expect unemployment.
While this is true, if the rationale behind H1B program is designed to supplant a shortage in actual labor skills, and not in labor skills at the company owner's desired pay rates, and there is a surplus of skills due to unemployment while H1B's continue for the same skillset, then H1B's are compounding the problem due to misuse. This is logic.
Still waiting for the day that owners are clamoring for H1B's for executives due to excessive pay and 'labor shortage'.. except executives are largely part of the same group as owners and the same people that fund the lobbyists so we all know that will never happen..
Re: San Jose and Oakland area job markets tumble
#85The article's headline says "stumble", whereas the HN link headline says "tumble". The two words have almost opposite meanings.
They both mean fall, although "stumble" has a slight implication that the fall is temporary.
Metaphors suck though. I don't know if 'balance' has any real meaning in the context of a job market. Supply and demand can't ever really be out of balance, they can just be distorted by random effects. In this sense 'fall' must mean smaller market?
Headlines are by nature vague and imprecise, they're just enough of a hook to make you decide to read the article or not. shrug
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
" During 2016, the VC sector provided $24.9 billion in financing, down 27.6 percent from the $34.4 billion in venture investing in 2015, according to the MoneyTree Report by PricewaterhouseCoopers and CB Insights. " $10B and 28% are hard to ignore.
Could be that there were very large rounds in 2015 for companies that didn't need to re-raise in 2016?
[1]:https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/02/technology/uber-investmen...
Re: San Jose and Oakland area job markets tumble
#87These are likely seasonal job losses like retail or related. You have to do Year over Year comparisons for jobs. Month over month comparisons are misleading because of seasonality
From the article: the worst two-month stretch of job losses since the Great Recession.
Re: San Jose and Oakland area job markets tumble
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a significant difference within different roles in I.T. As someone who's worked in the cost center side of the industry, I can relate with the author. It's a problem not limited to Oakland or San Jose. Helpdesk, Desktop Support, and related jobs are commonly temp to perm with horrible pay for the amount of stress.
This was true even 14 years ago, especially after the dot-com bust when many former developers took jobs as help desk techs when the job market fell apart. I was one of them. I eventually figured out there were very limited opportunities for someone with my skills and interests in that role so I studied and worked to build the skills to get a software engineering job. I think that Helpdesk roles in general should be…
Re: San Jose and Oakland area job markets tumble
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
For that to be true I suspect you'd also have to believe near zero nuance in the bell.
Now I'm really curious. What bell are you talking about and why is it relevant?
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Now I'm really curious. What bell are you talking about and why is it relevant?
Since you brought up IQ, I'd guess this was something about the bell curve. It's not obvious what "nuance" could have to do with that, however. Perhaps that was an unhinged spell-correction of "variance"? Sometimes I wonder if people post with imprecision because they think that way...
/i-will-burn-in-hell