Short and to the point, lacking any kind of fluff. Very refreshing. Almost every other article of this kind is so incredibly long that it feels like a game of "spot the explanation".
Why are the east of cities usually poorer?
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Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?
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Thanks. (I wrote it!)
Ooh! I have a question. Do you know what the situation is in Seattle? Is it so odd, with water separating cities and neighborhoods, impacting traffic, and a corporate empire in the eastern part, that it's hard to make out? Would it have been easier to see the situation you describe decades ago?
Views seem to be a powerful anchor for property values, to start with. Which is why you get dicier areas like the Rainier Valley, and multi-million-dollar homes just over the hill on either side.
Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?
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Interesting. Applies to Boston too - to the north are the rapidly gentrifying yuppie suburbs of Cambridge, Somerville and Medford, while to the south are the more depressed areas of Roxbury, Dorchester and Mattapan. Same for the non-San Jose parts of Silicon Valley: Palo Alto and Mountain View are ritzier than neighboring Sunnyvale and Santa Clara. I don't know enough about San Jose itself to say, nor about San Franc…
Not necessarily true about NYC. Pre mass-transit, wealthy citizens of Manhattan vacationed on the northern part of the island. During the early 20th century, as the subway system and metro-north were developed, these same people migrated to the north, or what is now referred to as Westchester. While westerlies may have caused dislocation during a certain time period, most major cities have experienced other events wh…
Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?
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Curiously, the "east side" of Chicago is where the wealthy people live, largely because that's where the lakefront is. For Chicago, in very rough terms, poor people live in the south and west, rich people in the north and east. Missing from the article, it seemed to me, is evidence of the claim that the east side is generally poorer. I mean, that seems to jive with my anecdotal experience and the explanation for the…
The lakefront on the south side is much further east than in the north side. Once you get into those southern shore areas it does get significantly poorer. I'm not sure of it still would fit in win his point because of the layou but it's something to consider.
Here's a 1999 map of median per capita income by census track: http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/percapitaincomecity199...
Note that Chicago proper is outlined in bold. While the southern shore is poorer and more easterly than the south loop/downtown/north shore areas, I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that the east side of Chicago is poorer than the west.
Also of note, the north and east is not only where the rich people in Chicago live, it is simply where the people in Chicago live. I wasn't able to find a raw population distribution map, but here's one showing multi-unit vs. single family homes: http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/dwellingtypescity2000....
(FWIW, I lived on Chicago's south east side for ~15 years. Depending on what you are looking for it is one of the best and most unappreciated areas of the city.)
Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?
#95Actually in most of the major US cities, the south side is bad. For example, SE DC, south side Chicago, south-central LA
I don't know about DC and LA(though I wonder if both have developed recently enough that the effect would be negated) but in Chicago the souh side is the furthest east (due to lake michigan) and the suburbs to the east of the city aren't exactly wealthy either.
Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?
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Sorry, hadn't seen your reply, posted the same :) (OT: more than 1 Uruguayans on HN, on the same thread? Nicolas Jodal pointed me towards here, you?)
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Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?
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Melbourne's western suburbs are definitely regarded as less desirable than the eastern suburbs. Historically (in the 1880s), the western suburbs were where the working class lived, and where heavy industry was located. Today, the majority of the wealthy suburbs are still east of the city - Toorak, Camberwell, Kew, Hawthorn etc.
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Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?
#99It's better to live in the east since you don't have to look at the sun on your commute.
I go directly north.
Re: Why are the east of cities usually poorer?
#100Yep, it's similar over here in Hong Kong too, though a bit more complicated and the directions are different. When you go up north of the Kowloon Peninsula into the mountains, there's a lot of commuter towns built in valleys, where you can find surprisingly cheap housing. Now, the thing about valleys is, wind direction depends on time of day. In the daytime, the sides of the valley get hotter than the centre, so wind…
I was in HK only once, for three days, so my experience is extremely limited. But it was my understanding that the local culture doesn't do a lot of cooking in the home, they generally eat out. The one apartment that I saw didn't even have a real kitchen.