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Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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Post by agentultra »

rhino369 wrote: post #329
agentultra wrote: post #224

It's strange reading about this and realizing that to be able to do something about it I would have had to have been born twenty some-odd years before I was born. That it's literally too late to do anything about it. I was raised to care about these issues, to save the rainforest, to cut down on pollution, recycle -- to do something about it. And that it would've taken a concerted effort from everyone to take the sam…

If drastic action is taken now we'd only see 2 degree warming. That is far from the end of the world. If we do nothing we'll see 5-8 degrees, which would change the climate pretty drastically. It's not too late at all.

From the video linked in another comment it seems like drastic is basically impossible. The speaker, Stuart Scott, had said that we'd have to just drop $28 trillion worth of fossil fuel assets on the floor and walk away today. It seems more likely that we're going to hit at least 5 degrees over the next 100 years which, if I'm not mistaken, means mass extinction events and the collapse of civilization as we know it.

2 degrees, from what I understand, is drastic enough to destabilize our current geo-political situation and threaten humanity with large-scale famine, water shortages, and mass migrations. It doesn't seem like we can even avoid 2 degrees at this point. It's just going to happen even if we do stop everything today if I'm understanding this news right.

Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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Post by stillsut »

xg15 wrote: post #339
lambdadmitry wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe this is the case when MSM are not blowing things out of proportion, so by comparison it looks like an understatement. This doesn't "spell doomsday" for the upcoming generations. First, I believe we are already well on path to sustainable energy. Let's be honest, any planet-wide change will take time, especially when affected by economic means. Granted, world-level dictatorship may achieve zero carbon emissi…

> Third, it's possible to drop global temperatures in a few months' time if direly needed. Ranging from orbital sunshades to tropospheric aerosols , solutions can be cheap and easy to deploy. (Emphasis mine) Isn't that basically the "chemtrails" conspiracy theory? The irony would be pretty entertaining if we ended up actually realizing that to combat climate change.

No, contrails are condensed water vapor, and they are shortlived enough they contribute ~.0001% warming effect observed.

Aerosols, usually a sulfate, are particles, which block sunlight, like the ash from volcanic eruptions. Most eruptions put the ash into the troposphere where it sinks to Earth relatively quickly. By placing sulfates into the stratosphere, they become 100x longer lived, and thus a small amount can have a strong cooling effect.

Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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Post by harwoodleon »

The news services wont report this because it's not an immediate threat.

This surely is a case now for stopping flying. If everyone made a conscious decision not to fly, be a bit inconvenienced, this would lessen the chance of this and other catastrophic events taking place.

Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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Post by Gravityloss »

kneel wrote: post #243
bithive123 wrote: post #49

Here is a good video about the arctic methane emergency: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F9ed5E54s4 Some summary points: - Total amount of methane in the current atmosphere: ~5 gigatons - Amount of carbon preserved as methane in the arctic shelf: estimated at 100s-1000s of gigatons - Only 1% release would double the atmospheric burden of methane - Not much effort is needed to destabilize this 1% - The volume current…

Methane release will be followed by an increase in methanotrophs and probably some weird algae blooms. Nature is fairly dynamic, especially at the prokaryotic level.

"the Earth's most severe known extinction event, with up to 96% of all marine species[6][7] and 70% of terrestrial vertebrate species becoming extinct.[8] It is the only known mass extinction of insects.[9][10] Some 57% of all families and 83% of all genera became extinct. Because so much biodiversity was lost, the recovery of life on Earth took significantly longer than after any other extinction event,[6] possibly up to 10 million years"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permian%E2%80%93Triassic_extin...

Maybe it's methane, maybe not.

Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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Post by alvern »

Here is a list of articles so far about methane capture and biogas. This is lab based experiments in small quantities (~50ml) but it could be scaled up. So in a foggy smog future where we all live in domes, these methane processors could slowly grab the energy back from the atmosphere.

[1] https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18977-innovation-meth...

[2] http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2008/CC/b80440...

[3]http://www.rsc.org/suppdata/cc/b8/b804405h/b804405h.pdf

Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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Post by ironic_ali »

brogrammer2 wrote: post #258

Honest question: Why is Mainstream Media not covering this like it should be doing? Heck, this should be the breaking news every single day!! After all, this spells doomsday for the upcoming generations, so shouldn't it be the news that should be shown/covered almost everyday on the front page. The people have the right to know that their children and grandchildren will suffer because of something that is going on ri…

It would make the trillion dollar carbon tax industry look like a waste of money?

MSM doesn't mention the hundreds of thousands of underwater volcanoes either.

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Post by teslaberry »

THE WORLD IS GOING TO END. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

a brainwashed generation unable to prioritize reality now, believe that 'science' has gifted them a version of the apocolypse they can believe will bring the end of times , but hey-------this isn't a religion or end times cult. ....right?

Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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Post by teslaberry »

british_india wrote: post #24

This is precisely why Dr. Guy McPherson has predicted human extinction on earth by 2030. Methane clathrates coming from the Arctic sea floor and from Canadian and Siberian permafrost. This is the most serious threat we face now.

yes anyone predicting this by 2030 is a complete fucking moron. dr. fucking moron. it's not that people , even doctors don't make mistakes in their predictions.

but this is an unexcuseable predictably stupid mistake that is either so stupid this person deserves to be called a fucking moron or is he deliberately taking advantage of the thousands of fucking morons who might believe him and he is quite clevely making use of the reality that a significant number of fucking morons can be made to follow a person predicting fear based end of times religious fanatatical apocolyptical scenarios.

we know facturally throughout history many clever end-of-times cults have been created and led by this all too frequent clever and personality type. so this docotr of end =times is more like practicing his psychological prowess upon a large group of fucking morons who will listen to him.

yes, if you believe the world will end YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON. sorry but all you global end of tiems folks........FUCKING MORONS.

Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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Post by rhino369 »

agentultra wrote: post #351
rhino369 wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If drastic action is taken now we'd only see 2 degree warming. That is far from the end of the world. If we do nothing we'll see 5-8 degrees, which would change the climate pretty drastically. It's not too late at all.

From the video linked in another comment it seems like drastic is basically impossible . The speaker, Stuart Scott, had said that we'd have to just drop $28 trillion worth of fossil fuel assets on the floor and walk away today . It seems more likely that we're going to hit at least 5 degrees over the next 100 years which, if I'm not mistaken, means mass extinction events and the collapse of civilization as we know it…

The IPCC reports don't substantiate those figure. RCP8.5 which assumes increasing co2 emmisions until 2080 results in 2.6-4.8 degrees by 2100. But Rcp8.5 is considered pretty much worst case. It is basically what happens if we just continue to use fossil fuels and have no climate policy.

RCP4.5 which is a somewhat optimistic but still realistic plan would only have 1.1-2.6.

RCP6 which is a realistic scenario where fossil fuels are used heavily but by 2060 we start heavily switching to carbon neutral sources. That leads to 1.4-3.1 degrees by 2100.

There also isn't any scientific consensus on what level of rise would lead to collapse of civilization. But I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be 5 degrees by 2100.

Even with 5 degrees the bread baskets of the world should still be producing a ton of food. There would need to be engineering solutions. GMO modified crops to survive droughts better. Better irrigation in California and the Midwest.

The dooms day projections all assume we just sit around while food production drops and just starve to death. That's a bad assumption.

It would cause famine in parts of the world where rising food costs means they can't afford food. But food could go up 5x in America before we'd have problems affording it.

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Post by buckbova »

brogrammer2 wrote: post #258

Honest question: Why is Mainstream Media not covering this like it should be doing? Heck, this should be the breaking news every single day!! After all, this spells doomsday for the upcoming generations, so shouldn't it be the news that should be shown/covered almost everyday on the front page. The people have the right to know that their children and grandchildren will suffer because of something that is going on ri…

Someone just copy/pasted your comment to reddit. Congrats.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/6163gu/7000_unde...

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