No, I don't want to chat with someone either.
So please stop beeping at me and popping up a chat modal.
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Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm in the newsletter business (and don't use these modals out of principle) and the folks I chat to about it confirm the same - they work really well . But, I counter, so does spamming or making 10000s of automated phone calls.. and we've agreed those things are damaging and unethical - I agree with Dave, it's about time we as an industry considered full screen modals to be dirty and unwelcome.
Whats the solution then? SEO crawlers to heavily penalise them?
Apparently Google already is for mobile contexts: http://searchengineland.com/interstitialgeddon-google-warns-...
Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter
#33How about extension with some kind of machine learning? You know, all 4 borders and all 4 corners going dark w/o user interaction. At the same time some kind of form input appear at highest z-index.
Extension would delete that DOM subtree rightaway. + some kind of cloud harvest from users reporting false-positives.
Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm in the newsletter business (and don't use these modals out of principle) and the folks I chat to about it confirm the same - they work really well . But, I counter, so does spamming or making 10000s of automated phone calls.. and we've agreed those things are damaging and unethical - I agree with Dave, it's about time we as an industry considered full screen modals to be dirty and unwelcome.
>But, I counter, so does spamming or making 10000s of automated phone calls. Spamming and automated phone calls are unsolicited. These popups are not. You are the one in control. You can avoid popups by not going to those sites.
That's not possible the first time I follow a link to a new site though.
I avoid sites like Forbes because of their weird splash pages but if it's something new what can you do apart from not return?
Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm in the newsletter business (and don't use these modals out of principle) and the folks I chat to about it confirm the same - they work really well . But, I counter, so does spamming or making 10000s of automated phone calls.. and we've agreed those things are damaging and unethical - I agree with Dave, it's about time we as an industry considered full screen modals to be dirty and unwelcome.
>But, I counter, so does spamming or making 10000s of automated phone calls. Spamming and automated phone calls are unsolicited. These popups are not. You are the one in control. You can avoid popups by not going to those sites.
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Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter
#36Yes it's annoying but they work: "sticking a big ole pop-up in their face can be one of the most effective ways to jolt their attention & grab their email for a return visit." Peep Laja. https://conversionxl.com/popup-defense/?hvid=2EcGFw
For some definition of "work".
Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter
#37Yes it's annoying but they work: "sticking a big ole pop-up in their face can be one of the most effective ways to jolt their attention & grab their email for a return visit." Peep Laja. https://conversionxl.com/popup-defense/?hvid=2EcGFw
Personally, as soon as I see a popup like that, I'm gone forever.
Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter
#38...and no, I don't want to log into your walled garden Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.
Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter
#39From the perspective of crowdfunding
1. The crowdfunding sites themselves maintain HUGE newsletter lists and use very advanced analytics to determine what to place in those newsletters.
2. For campaigners, the size and activity of your email list is a huge factor in determining your campaign success. Just like this web tool https://www.thunderclap.it/about sending a direct email blast to a good list can mean the difference of a successful hard launch and campaign, or a lackluster or failed campaign. The email lists of the sites themselves which feature several campaigns, are hugely influential on campaign success, and in my experience has at least once lead to the production of 4x our total raise goal in a single platform newsletter feature of our campaign.
Sometimes people do want to be notified. Newsletters are something of a different issue, but the case above seems like a newsletter to me. Especially because we used our first campaign backers + second campaign + interest landing pages and social media gathering email campaigns to continually send emails about new campaigns and products.
Essentially therefore I'm arguing, the ability to gather a quality, targeted email list and generate a recurring newsletter without a 10%+ attrition rate [1] is both difficult and valuable.
[1] CANSPAM compliance requires unsubscribe link, my personal interpretation is 1-click unsubscribe should be the rule, no loading email setting pages behind login walls. Good design is honest. Crowdfunding requiring physical good production in quantity is very difficult for the uninitiated. And then it remains difficult, time consumer over time, and requires constant attention. This is essentially scaling issues but in the physical world. So many of the failed to deliver crowdfunded projects are not so much dishonest as naive, but also consider Jobs' thoughts on the subject
> great artists ship
though Dieter Rams (most famous living Industrial Designer) says
> designers are not fine artists who we are often confused for
Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter
#40How about extension with some kind of machine learning? You know, all 4 borders and all 4 corners going dark w/o user interaction. At the same time some kind of form input appear at highest z-index. Extension would delete that DOM subtree rightaway. + some kind of cloud harvest from users reporting false-positives.
Sure, but how do you do that in a way that can't be circumvented? Alice creates a page with a newsletter popup, then Bob installs a plugin with a MutationObserver [0], so Alice just adds some code to disable any such MutationObservers.
Plus how do you determine when it's an unwanted modal? You don't want to block the login popup, for example. Maybe you can block all modals except for the ones generated from a "click" event, but what if the site sets a "click" listener on the tag?
[0] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/MutationObs...