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Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by minhoryang »

kitsune_ wrote: post #118
thewhitetulip wrote: post #87

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Despite being new to AJAX, I wrote a Vue app within a week, 4-5 weeks into reading Angular, I was still reading the docs. Edit: removed a brash statement.

Yes and no. It says as much about you as it says about Angular or Vue. Look, Angular is far from being my favorite framework, and I have nothing against Vue, I'm more of a ClojureScript / om.next guy myself. I'm just really allergic to brash statements about frameworks, or hype in general. How easy it is to get up and running with a framework doesn't actually tell me that much about the framework. Is the apparent sim…

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Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by agopaul »

throwaywgsid wrote: post #108
tomelders wrote: post #59

I'll be that guy. I'm sure the Angular team are great people, and they're clearly talented devs... but stay away from Angular. It doesn't help with the problems you will actually face. Typed Javascript is a cargo cult. Angular just plain confusing for no apparent benefit. Dependency injection is bizarre. The distinction between modules, components, and directive is unnecessary. The Javascript community in general is…

Angular is a mess but typescript is alive and kicking on its own, even with react. Personally I'm one of the apparently rare breeds that hate angular but loves typescript. I wish there were more of us. They're really in different realms and please don't make them part of the same whole. Typescript is a transpiler but the transforms it does are designed to mimic accepted JavaScript idioms. When I'm debugging typescrip…

I feel like Typescript is the only thing that will stick around for sure in the coming years.

Frankly, I don't know if I can say the same about all the other libraries/frameworks/etc since every month there is something new that's supposed to make all the other competing tools part of ancient history.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by romanovcode »

jlebrech wrote: post #145

why does it feel like I have to be a developer OF angular in order to create an app. too many of the design choices they made manifest themselves in MY code, a framework isn't supposed to do this.

I think opinionated framework should do this. This way there is only one way of doing things - angular way.

So when all the angular developers quit and new ones join they can semi-understand the code because it's written in "angular way".

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by thewhitetulip »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #149
thewhitetulip wrote: post #87

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Despite being new to AJAX, I wrote a Vue app within a week, 4-5 weeks into reading Angular, I was still reading the docs. Edit: removed a brash statement.

Try jQuery - even more simple.

I tried jQuery and found it to be more difficult to manage a single page app.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by Retozi »

throwaywgsid wrote: post #108
tomelders wrote: post #59

I'll be that guy. I'm sure the Angular team are great people, and they're clearly talented devs... but stay away from Angular. It doesn't help with the problems you will actually face. Typed Javascript is a cargo cult. Angular just plain confusing for no apparent benefit. Dependency injection is bizarre. The distinction between modules, components, and directive is unnecessary. The Javascript community in general is…

Angular is a mess but typescript is alive and kicking on its own, even with react. Personally I'm one of the apparently rare breeds that hate angular but loves typescript. I wish there were more of us. They're really in different realms and please don't make them part of the same whole. Typescript is a transpiler but the transforms it does are designed to mimic accepted JavaScript idioms. When I'm debugging typescrip…

I agree 100%.

TypeScript is an invaluable, mature technology that provides large productivity boosts to any team that maintains a mid-sized code base.

It plays extremely well with React too, and it's benefits are independent of the tech stack. If you are used to typed components/templates, you will NEVER want to go back.

I would argue that is more important to have static typing in the front-end compared to the back-end in a web-application context. There is more state, lot's of shared entities and unit tests are expensive to write and maintain.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by ganarajpr »

marksomnian wrote: post #156
kabes wrote: post #135

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Euhm. Jsx and vdom are exactly About abstracting away the browser environment...

Erm, what? JSX doesn't do any abstraction. Unless you're using React Native, you're writing HTML, just that JSX turns it into `React.createElement(...)` calls. The VDOM is kind of an abstraction, as React Native can use the same reconciler as React, but the React (web) VDOM is just a tree of HTML DOM nodes that gets diffed against the component rerender output and the changes are applied to the DOM.

Ummm.. kabes is right. React is an even bigger abstraction on the browser than angular 1 is. Its just that with React the abstractions are mostly opaque - and with Angular the abstractions are not so opaque ( and maybe sometimes leaky! ).

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by davedx »

pasta wrote: post #106
nkkollaw wrote: post #91

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I have a question. Who thought it was a good idea to make Angular 2 incompatible with Angular 1? You had it, and you blew it. Most people aren't going to use any version of Angular, now, and have switched to React and Vue.

"Who thought it was a good idea to make Angular 2 incompatible with Angular 1?" This is so much discussed that I am not going to answer that. Google it. But according to the latest StackOverflow survey [1] Angular is still bigger than you think: AngularJS 44.3%, React 19.5% [1] http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017/

Most companies don't switch quickly.

We have a huge Angular 1.x app, but after hiring some new developers for our team we found the pool of React devs was huge compared to Angular devs. So much developer goodwill and mindshare has been lost.

After carefully evaluating the technical aspects of Angular and React and externalities like the above, we decided to start building new software with React.

Angular won't go away overnight, it will see a very steady and slow attrition, with developers themselves leading the way.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by jasim »

tomelders wrote: post #59

I'll be that guy. I'm sure the Angular team are great people, and they're clearly talented devs... but stay away from Angular. It doesn't help with the problems you will actually face. Typed Javascript is a cargo cult. Angular just plain confusing for no apparent benefit. Dependency injection is bizarre. The distinction between modules, components, and directive is unnecessary. The Javascript community in general is…

Agree generally, but the future of web app development is looking more and more like a hundred languages and frameworks. Here's someone who built a 50k LoC web app in Haskell - both client and server in the same codebase - and very happy about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/610qp7/hiring_pure...

F# has Fable that compiles down to Javascript, OCaml has BuckleScript, and the new kid on the block, ReasonML. I've read about one or more production websites running in these what we'd call esoteric choices. (Add Elm and PureScript to the mix)

There is increasing adoption in the web for both Typed FP through these languages and Untyped FP through ClojureScript. Non-FP communities on the other hand don't seem too keen on the web. Ruby for example has Opal, but with the pace at which Javascript is getting better, porting similar languages just for their familiarity doesn't seem to generate the same kind of excitement as transpiling from a more powerful one.

And once Web Assembly becomes viable and browsers are free from Javascript (except for being the lowest common mass adoption denominator), we'll be able to choose our languages just like we can when programming for any other environment. It'll be a Wild West out there, but in a nice kind of way.

Re: Angular 4.0.0 Now Available

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Post by sundvor »

Longwelwind wrote: post #121
throwaywgsid wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Angular is a mess but typescript is alive and kicking on its own, even with react. Personally I'm one of the apparently rare breeds that hate angular but loves typescript. I wish there were more of us. They're really in different realms and please don't make them part of the same whole. Typescript is a transpiler but the transforms it does are designed to mimic accepted JavaScript idioms. When I'm debugging typescrip…

Typescript with React is necessary for me. I feel like it highly increases my productivity when coding, and it makes it easy to refactor the code. Plus you can do some cool things like Component inheritance. I've never tried Flow, but I guess it's practically the same.

I want to move on from Jquery... Have been learning C# on the back end for the past year and a bit, but now it's time to do the front end.

Looking at both A1 and A2 has confused me, so might just try React and see if that is more compatible with my ageing me. :) Nevertheless, I also really like the looks of Typescript. Could your possibly recommend a(n opinionated) way to get started with the two?

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