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Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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After the initial Vault 7 release, and even after Snowden in 2013, this is barely news. Our devices are not secure. Apple portrayed itself as a guardian angel for keeping the FBI of our devices for the past two years, while conveniently forgetting to mention that it has been installing iPhone backdoors for the CIA since 2008. edit: I misread the release, it is possible that they are installed after the fact, and appl…

just a note: the fact that wikileaks is most likely putin's work doesn't make it less valuable; it's just that you'll never see anything about russia of relevance, and if you do, it's probably fake. you can be quite sure that leaks from the west are pristine.

Can you provide an example of Wikileaks reporting something that was fake?

Re: Wikileaks Vault 7 Release: Dark Matter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That was the entirety of the Snowden leaks Is that so? So the NSA did not secretly collect all data from the unencrypted fiber between Google and Yahoo's data centers? And the NSA never paid RSA Security 10 million dollars to back Dual_EC_DRBG as part of the broader program Bullrun intended to subvert and weaken cryptographic protocols that underlie our national security and critical online infrastructure? You are…

He appears to be correct. Much was editorialized, so legit issues got mixed up with false statements. > So the NSA did not secretly collect all data from the unencrypted fiber between Google and Yahoo's data centers? I recall mentions of this, but do you have a source for your "all" claim here? As that would be a bit different than passively watching for specifically tasked IPs (or other selectors). > And the NSA nev…

You seem to be right about parallel construction as practiced by the DEA/NSA. That revelation came out in a Reuters' report in 2013 rather than from the Snowden leaks.

Regarding gag orders, I'm referring to National Security Letters. Google, Yahoo, Twitter, etc. all received them with corresponding gag orders.

The NSA's documents when referring to the collection on those unencrypted fiber lines use the terms “full take,” “bulk access” and “high volume”. Perhaps they do not duplicate and store everything, but they certainly have access to everything, which is not much better.

You can read more about Bullrun on Wikipedia. It seems there is much known definitively about it, and it's the source of the statement I made almost verbatim.

You may not find some of the content of the leaks surprising, but many do, and I was treated like a conspiracy nut for years and years for even broaching the subject. The extent of the coordination with foreign intelligence agencies, while also not surprising to me, is highly significant because it presents an obvious loophole to the whole "we don't spy on American citizens" with the unspoken addendum being "(but our allies do, and we can access that data whenever)".

Maybe you and I have pretty different notions about what is acceptable in terms of "intelligence" gathering. I believe that all spying, whether on Americans or foreigners, is wrong. I want to see the NSA, CIA, DIA, and organizations like them splintered into a thousand pieces and scattered to the winds, to borrow a phrase.

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