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Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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I'm wondering the same thing. Should I start blowing through my 401k money now or what?

Save it for your ticket to mars.

Better save it for anti aging supplements first. Easier to build climate resistant infrastructure here than on Mars.

Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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Could one pierce a bubble and syphon/concentrate the gas into a tank with a pump? Might be too late, considering how many there are and how remote they are. edit: nm, I saw that conference where they've shown Methane releasing from the submerged Siberian plane. We're fucked.

Naively, it seems like that would be a bit like trying to pop a helium balloon and recapture the helium.

Though I'm certainly not an expert, and it's possible it'd be more akin to natural gas drilling, which we have some experience in.

Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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If we can't figure out an engineering solution to this problem then it's game over. It always amazes me how much people and governments focus on prevention when it comes to climate change, knowing full well it's far too late to change anything by reducing carbon emissions. If we can't sequester these 'surplus' gases from the atmosphere then I guess you could say we don't have a chance in hell, pun intended, of surviv…

Why focus on "fixing" climate ? Why not just assume it's going to become unstable in close future and start building with that assumption ? Large scale isolated citiy domes. Nutrient synthesis that doesn't rely on climate/agriculture. Environment independent energy generation like micro nuclear reactors. Large scale air filtration and temperature control. As the world becomes more interconnected and developed catastr…

It seems likely that some are doing this. But I doubt that they want publicity ;)

Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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I suspect that the interests driving denial are planning to ride the crash. There are probably developments in favorable locations. Land. Security. Infrastructure. Resources.

Siberia stands to become more arable if the permafrost thaws. It certainly becomes more drillable. Wonder who might be involved there... https://www.2b1stconsulting.com/exxonmobil-and-rosneft-set-j...

Yes, Russia and Canada. With ice-free shipping links.

Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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So, assuming we're screwed, where's the best place to move preemptively? I know Boston isn't that place. - I assume the coasts are a nonstarter. - Moving inland could be nice, but the ground would need to be pretty arable to restart civilization there. I'm guessing somewhere in Africa is a safe bet, given the lack of resource exploitation there, but then again, there's not much infrastructure at the moment.

> I'm guessing somewhere in Africa is a safe bet, given the lack of resource exploitation there,

...what?

Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

#106

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The consensus is that unchecked GW would not be a human extinction event.

Correct, I don't believe that human extinction is in the cards from unchecked GW. Though it could well still be the greatest and most prolonged disaster in recorded history. There is an enormous gulf between minimum thresholds for, respectively: - "Not a big deal" - A catastrophe, comparable to World War II - The greatest catastrophe in recorded history - The extinction of industrialized civilization - The extinction…

> It can be tricky to push back against hyperbole comparing AGW to some of those later-stage events without being mistaken for someone who doesn't care about AGW at all.

Yeah, the thing is, that your list roughly translates to:

  - Not a big deal
  - Many of us are dead
  - Most of us are dead
  - Almost of us are dead and everything is fucked
  - Remaining list items aren't even worth considering
Hyperbole is never good, but it's important to realize that anything above "Not a big deal" means at least a serious degradation of life quality for everyone on the planet.

So maybe let's rewrite the list to show how your and mine lives will look like:

  - Everything is much more expensive, no more extravagant meals
  - European refugee crisis, except you're the refugee
  - Like the above, except everyone wants to shoot you
  - The Walking Dead, just without the zombies
  - Everyone dies

Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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And then good luck rebuilding civilization now that every easily accessible resource has been mined/harvested out.

Let's hope the beings that will rebuild civilization will learn from our mistakes.

Nobody is rebuilding anything on this planet, not considering how deep we need to drill/mine at this point to get anything good, and the example will not be useful to anyone who arrives here from elsewhere.

Re: Thousands of underground gas bubbles poised to 'explode' in Arctic

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If we can't fix, if we can't prevent, and if we cannot prepare either, then maybe we could at least preserve? • Digitize all human knowledge and as much art/literature as you can gather (books, music, movies, shows, games, even porn and random YouTube videos and discussions on online forums :) Most of that work has already been done. • Store it on the most resilient (and simple/repairable) storage media you can, • Bu…

Building digital storage that lasts more than a few decades is hard.

See http://longnow.org/ and http://rosettaproject.org

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I can't believe there are people willfully obtuse enough to still be putting out this strawman. No one credible is or has ever claimed "the end of life" or even "the end of multicellular life". Humanity could get wiped out entirely and "life" would be fine for a few billion years until it really would get wiped out completely without intelligence. But even a few tens of millions let alone hundreds let alone billions…

Another fun angle to consider. Ocean acidification leading to a die-off of phytoplankton (the oxygen tank of the Earth, basically). This could cause a global asphyxiation event.

Archaea are tough.
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