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Where are the all Hispanic Schools? How about some Hispanic related "campuses?"

A lot of HBCUs are seeing a large increase in Hispanic students due to direct out reach to Hispanics

Anecdotally, I went to Tennessee State and we had a fairly decent population of Caribbean students, including Caribbean Hispanics from Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buuuut this isn't China. It's America. Ethnic diversity is part of the DNA here.

Where are the "all" hispanic outreach programs in tech?

Fair to mention that Howard U does not discriminate on race in admissions.

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I'm very happy to see this. I grew up in a town that, before I was born, decided to actively integrate (from being an historically all white, wealthy suburb) and I'm certain I'm better off for growing up in a diverse community. I'm in mountain view now and it's all "silicon valley white", and something actively needs to be done. I worry when I realize my kid can go a week or more without seeing a black person, and I'…

> I'm certain I'm better off for growing up in a diverse community. I'm curious how much the internet has helped bridge this gap today and whether this idea of diversity through government-backed forced integration policies are really relevant/useful anymore. It seems very difficult to grow up in a culturally homogeneous environment today, you'd basically have to be a Luddite to accomplish that. That plus living in a…

I'm curious how much the internet has helped bridge this gap today and whether this idea of diversity through government-backed forced integration policies are really relevant/useful anymore. It seems very difficult to grow up in a culturally homogeneous environment today, you'd basically have to be a Luddite to accomplish that.

In my opinion the internet makes it just as easy to be culturally homogeneous if you want to. There are many people that, due to interest or necessity will be exposed to a variety of cultures, but you can just as easily filter your internet usage so you engage mostly with people that are like you. It doesn't help that on the internet, in text discussions, you don't know what someone's background is without research due to anonymity. For example, by default I assume everyone on HN is an upper middle class or wealthy white male in his mid-20s to early 40s, unless otherwise stated in the context of the comments, even though I know this isn't true. This creates the problem of, instead of viewing internet communities as diverse collections of people, they are viewed as stereotypical hive minds, further enforcing discrimination and stereotyped views of large groups of people.

Re: Howard University opens a new campus at the Googleplex

#84

Is this a way to use blacks to increase the supply and decrease the salary of software engineers? Regardless the people that go to Howard are pretty well off anyway. Its a private U so either you have money or enough educations/connections/... to get a scholarship. Edit: Im not criticizing this. I think it is great.

Howard is prestigious for an HBCU, but it's not Harvard. HBCU's deal with a notorious lack of funding, so the connections that you assume are not always there. I can say this specifically applies to Howard.

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post #39

Where are the all Hispanic Schools? How about some Hispanic related "campuses?"

Since the USA does not have a long history of legal segregation against Hispanics, there are no Hispanic colleges. However, there are Hispanic Serving Insitutions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic-serving_institution I also wonder how much you cared about Hispanic schools before you heard about someone helping a Black school. Why the sudden interest?

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post #33

I'm very happy to see this. I grew up in a town that, before I was born, decided to actively integrate (from being an historically all white, wealthy suburb) and I'm certain I'm better off for growing up in a diverse community. I'm in mountain view now and it's all "silicon valley white", and something actively needs to be done. I worry when I realize my kid can go a week or more without seeing a black person, and I'…

> I'm certain I'm better off for growing up in a diverse community. I'm curious how much the internet has helped bridge this gap today and whether this idea of diversity through government-backed forced integration policies are really relevant/useful anymore. It seems very difficult to grow up in a culturally homogeneous environment today, you'd basically have to be a Luddite to accomplish that. That plus living in a…

It's true that schools are more segregated. It's also true that there's abundant evidence that bussing programs had strong positive effects for the students who used them. These programs were systematically dismantled in the nineties, though, largely because of racist policies in the communities receiving the bussed students.

Desegregation works. Saying that the issue is access to quality resources reduces to separate but equal policy, doesn't it?

https://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/562/th...

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I have to say just how excited I am about this. I know two black developers. TWO. I've worked with numerous female developers and know plenty more. I've worked with hispanic, asian, white and european developers (no native american that I know of). I think that this is a great move to help bring in more diversity (and certainly a very different perspective)

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It's nitpicky and maybe trivial, but I'm happy to see them use the word "Black" so prominently. I always got peeved at "African American." If we're going to discuss race , nationality doesn't really figure into the equation. Then again, if you start talking scientifically, the concept of "race" is shaky at best, but there's no denying the cultural implications of the idea.

It is nitpicky but not so trivial. As I understand it, once upon a time you would have German Americans and Italian Americans as distinctive subgroups in the United States with their own unique cultures. But Negroes couldn't really say they were Nigerian-American or Angolan-American, largely because most colored people did not know exactly where in Africa they came from. In a historical context it makes sense that a subgroup defined by both culture and appearance would be intentional in adopting a name. This is especially true when the names given to them: negroes, colored folk, and even black had racist baggage associated with them.

I personally don't mind African American for the same reasons I don't mind Asian American. Both subnational groups are comfortable with their designation I believe.

Speaking of Asian Americans, are you peeved with the term "Asian American"? Would you rather them self-identify as "yellow"? I ask because I like consistency.

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I think we are in need of an open discussion on redefining "diversity". Race is not a good metric for diversity. Nationality completely trumps it. People of the same nationality with the same primary language have much more in common with each other. You can actually see this dynamic play out at work where people hang out with others from the same nationality. Americans hang out with Americans, Mandarin Chinese hang…

African Americans are very culturally different than white Americans. The fact that people just assume that they are the same is one of the reasons that African Americans are in the situations that they are in and get the wrap that they do. Also, the assertion that the NAACP is powerful enough to put African Americans on equal footing with white Americans is just wrong.
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