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Rents in Megacities Can't Go Up Forever

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Re: Rents in Megacities Can't Go Up Forever

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> Rents in Megacities Can't Go Up Forever Yes it can, College Tuition is a great example. Instead of finding the cause and treating it, we just increase the amount of aid people have access to.

The fallacy of rent control, which only treats the symptom and fails to address the root problem of inadequate supply and restrictions to adding additional supply to the market.

I'm genuinely curious how the supply of housing in Manhattan could be increased.

Re: Rents in Megacities Can't Go Up Forever

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This article crystalizes a point that was vague in my mind: "megacities have a problem making it affordable to raise large or even medium-size families. How many of us could live in San Francisco, London or New York City and bring up three children in a decent neighborhood with good schools? Only the already well-to-do can manage such a feat.". As a mid-30s person with a new baby, I don't see how the numbers work for…

>How many of us could live in San Francisco, London or New York City and bring up three children in a decent neighborhood with good schools? The simple solution is to not have any children. Leave that to extremely rich people and very poor people. Society obviously does not support child-rearing, given the cost of housing and the lack of support from employers, so why fight it?

That is a logical but dystopian conclusion to make.

It disturbs me deeply and I wonder why.

Maybe it was your matter of fact, emotionless delivery of it that caught my attention.

I can't really dispute what you have said other than it is not an inevitability. Societies can choose to change this, Sweden being a current example, Finland too. But people need to organise and want it enough, maybe they don't. Time will tell.

Re: Rents in Megacities Can't Go Up Forever

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I live in Chicago. I love it here because of everything else it has to offer. I have everything almost everything I need available to me within walking distance from home. That includes grocery store, dive bars, cheap restaurants, high end restaurants, clubs. For anything else I may want to do (concerts, sports games, plays, comedy), there are dozens of world class options within a ten minute cab drive / 30 minutes o…

> If you wanted culture, you'd have to get in your car and drive at least an hour. Everywhere has culture. You just didn't like the one you were in. In tiny towns, the culture looks more like running around in the woods, country music, 4-H club, and church potlucks. That's a culture, even if you don't like it. And, besides, in the internet age there are plenty of farmers' daughters that get really into oil painting o…

With fewer people in a place there will be fewer people that match OP's cultural interests. Even moving from a medium city to a larger city has a noticeable increase in organizations of people doing cool things I'm interested in.

Re: Rents in Megacities Can't Go Up Forever

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Thank goodness we are too smart to try that with Healthcare.

Compare the statements "not everyone needs to live in an expensive city" and "not everyone needs to go to a private out-of-state college" to "not everyone needs to be able to live " to see the silliness of that comparison.

I think one of us has misunderstood something in this thread.

I assume that everyone wants healthcare for everyone. I mean, who would want even a stranger to suffer from disease?

The question is what is the best mechanism to make it affordable for everyone.

One answer is: give everyone more money to spend on it. The problem with that is that it drives up the cost for everyone and you may be no better off. You might be worse off.

Another solution might be to spend money on the supply (build more hospitals and train more doctors). I pick this example because it doesn't imply things like lowering taxes or spending less, so it doesn't get caught up in the budget discussion.

The criticism here is just in regards to the first solution, not in regards to providing healthcare.

Re: Rents in Megacities Can't Go Up Forever

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What does it look like if a rent bubble pops? Can such a thing even happen? Rents tend to be difficult to change without moving. I guess rents can fall if demand considerably outstrips supply and the landlords get desperate, but most landlords I've seen are pretty stubborn and will hold out until the last second before they lower the rent a single penny.

They'd accept lower rents if they couldn't find other people to rent. They just don't have to in big cities.

But this isn't a rental bubble. The rents aren't really too high, they just can't keep growing above inflation rates forever.

Re: Rents in Megacities Can't Go Up Forever

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Boeing planes are assembled in Seattle; their HQ is in Chicago. Do people aspire to work in health, energy or finance, or even software aside from the money? If so, what difference does it make?

The 787 is assembled in (North) Charleston, SC.

The more common and widely used 737 is assembled at the Washington plant

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Renton_Factorye

Re: Rents in Megacities Can't Go Up Forever

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There are certainly a lot of factors. People want to live in trendy cities. There's a lot to consider besides rent - culture, nightlife, etc. San Francisco sure does have some of the best food in the country (and with tech consuming most of spare time the way it is, eating out is really a huge part of culture). Rent definitely ends up being the deal breaker for many, but for others isn't. It's a lot harder for a comp…

> People want to live in trendy cities. There's a lot to consider besides rent - culture, nightlife, etc. San Francisco sure does have some of the best food in the country We're talking about tech workers though. I don't know about you, but my whole life as a tech worker, I've gotten up at the crack of dawn, worked all day, come home late at night exhausted and passed out sleeping until the next day. I don't even kno…

> It doesn't make sense that tech workers would care about these things because we never get to take advantage of them.

Not all tech workers are 12-hour-a-day workaholics.

Why are you killing yourself at work?

Re: Rents in Megacities Can't Go Up Forever

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The author of the article is a professor of economics but doesn't state the true cause of rising housing costs: Market inefficiencies (or market failures) caused by politically induced market scarcity restrictions called "rent-seeking" which benefits landowners such as President Trump over people who rent or are purchasing housing. Rent-seeking was first illustrated by David Ricardo in the mid-19th century (IIRC) and…

Tokyo is a good case study for how effective selective deregulation and zoning policy can lead to more efficient housing construction.

  In Minato ward — a desirable 20 sq km slice of central 
  Tokyo — the population is up 66 per cent over the past 20 
  years, from 145,000 to 241,000, an increase of about 
  100,000 residents. In the 121 sq km of San Francisco, the 
  population grew by about the same number over 20 years, 
  from 746,000 to 865,000 — a rise of 16 per cent. Yet 
  whereas the price of a home in San Francisco and London 
  has increased 231 per cent and 441 per cent respectively, 
  Minato ward has absorbed its population boom with price 
  rises of just 45 per cent.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottbeyer/2016/08/12/tokyos-af...

It also helps that Japan has a brilliant zoning system:

http://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2014/04/japanese-zoning.html

Re: Rents in Megacities Can't Go Up Forever

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The article is mistaken about one thing: the size of the financial sector is not limited by the total wealth of the world. Eg: there could be derivative contracts (insurance or derived bets) for cumulative values much more than the value of the underlying asset (arbitrarily high, in principle). This is a big factor in what makes the global financial system so fragile.

If the finance industry keeps skimming a fraction of all the money flowing through it then financial hubs like New York city and London could keep becoming more expensive.

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