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Re: The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess

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This is a strangely divisive topic in the startup industry. For some reason, there are smart people who think that meritocracy works: work hard and things will be good for you. The problem is that in many cases working hard (as in building up a startup) does indeed give people the opportunity to rise in society. But it is not true in all cases at all. And so the negative statement "if you are struggling you didn't tr…

"The problem is that in many cases working hard (as in building up a startup) does indeed give people the opportunity to rise in society." I have never seen that to be a problem. How would propose that we "fix" that problem ?

I think the parent's sentence structure is a bit confusing, but I read that as:

"The problem is, that while in many cases working hard (as in building up a startup) does indeed give people the opportunity to rise in society, it is not true in all cases at all; so the negative statement 'if you are struggling you didn't try enough' is completely flawed."

i.e. the problem is that hard work does not always (or even not often) equal success in society.

Re: The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess

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"While our emergency system is often at the point of creaking it at least isn't anywhere close to American levels of having to deal with what should be primary care problems." How much of this "creaking" is intentional underfunding or political meddling by politicians looking for a payday from American medical insurance companies when they ruin another nations healthcare is debatable. It's very similar to recent Trum…

I can't speak for Trump's motivations, but I've noticed something similar in the corporate world. If a capable executive is particularly critical of an aspect of the business, he may (inadvertently) find himself put in charge of it. It's a method for breaking status quo. And just because this new leader starts as an outsider doesn't mean he stays an outsider after becoming intimate with all the invisible challenges f…

I think this kinda describes Trump himself pretty well. An outsider who's initially critical without understanding the nuances of how something works, but after finding themselves on the inside develops an appreciation for why things are like that.

Re: The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess

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There's a Cadillac ad for US, where the narrator openly says that those Europeans enjoy their holidays, but an American works hard and gets to enjoy nice car cue cadillac car enters the scene . They openly ridicule the idea that Europeans can take a month of holiday per year. I do feel a bit sorry for that attitude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNzXze5Yza8

I wonder how many Europeans would trade their car for a Cadillac anyway, they're not very popular here because of fuel consumption and size.

I'm an American and I wouldn't consider trading my Toyota Prius for a Cadillac. If someone was going to give me one, I might, maybe.

Re: The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess

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So why are you even comparing the two and not e.g. working for Google in San Francisco and Zurich?

Was not the point of the thread that money is not the only factor in life?

That's the point everyone else is making, yet conanbatt keeps coming back to comparing salaries between Berlin and San Francisco as an example of higher salaries in the US. Berlin is not even the highest paying city in Germany, let alone Europe.

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Why should Americans bother to have a passport? Their country is so huge, probably more than you could visit in a lifetime. Deserts, mountains, cities, ... In Europe countries and the continent are smaller, Vienna for example literally has 3 other countries in commuting distance. It is quite obvious that you are more likely to need a passport here in Europe. A much fairer comparison would be to only count Europeans t…

Most Americans don't even travel far within their own country. The vast majority have never seen New York or San Francisco, for example. Or the Rockies, even.

That's interesting, you've repeated this in a few comments. I am not american, but living in the US, and it's always been my observation that while true, americans seldom travel outside their own country, they do travel, a lot, within their own continent-sized nation. In fact, almost everyone I know here is quite frequently taking little trips, both business and pleasure, be it to see relatives (families are very dispersed) or friends, or just sight seeing. In my experience just about everyone has been to New York or San Francisco, or the Bahamas, Hawaii, not to mention LA, FL, the Grand Canyon, Yosemite, Chicago, New Orleans, etc. At one point or another, just about everyone takes the proverbial road trip across most of the US. And I'm pretty sure that any one point in time, there are more airplanes, packed, flying over the US than on any other part of the world, probably combined. Of course, it may be my own distorted vision of reality.

Re: The Gig Economy Celebrates Working To Excess

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US way: You make $8k a month: You pay $2k in taxes (Employer pays an additional $1k in tax), so your income is 9k. You pay $500 in health and other benefits (employer pays another $500) If you spend remaining $5.5k, you'll usually pay $250-$500 In sales taxes. In other words, you have $5k remaining to spend on shit that you probably don't need.

> You pay $2k in taxes (Employer pays an additional $1k in tax), so your income is 9k. How did the employer paying an extra k mean you make more? I think it's only relevant to talk about 2 figures: a) the expense to the employer and b) your take home (net) salary. Everything in between there is "taxes" and who pays them and when is less important. If the employer needs $9k to hire you that's what it costs. Then the t…

Because of tax incidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_incidence

Just because your employer is the one writing the checks doesn't mean that the tax burden is really falling on them. The employer side of FICA, for example, is essentially a tax on employee's income.

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Depends on which europeans you mean. The higher taxed countries like the nordics pay mad taxes. I don't mind though because I feel it's well spent (i.e. my attitude towards public spending is that it is usually pretty efficient ). That's probably a big difference to the US where the attitude seems to be that taxes are pretty much a black hole. Tax calc for me: Employer pays $8k Payroll taxes deducted: $2k My gross sa…

>seems to be that taxes are pretty much a black hole. Our defense and war spending is very much a black hole. I'm sorry if I fight being taxed to death in regards to this. Not all of us have a tiny military like your country does. Worse, federal taxes are just one piece of the pie for Americans. We're usually taxed heavily on the local level with property taxes, state taxes, etc. With those taxes we can certainly see…

> Our defense and war spending is very much a black hole. I'm sorry if I fight being taxed to death in regards to this. > Not all of us have a tiny military like your country does.

I think US defense (which is really very little defense and mostly power projection) is completely bizarre. A reasonable level would be perhaps 3% GDP which would still be huge. The Swedish military is tiny, and by GDP it's a joke (around 1%). We should be spending at least 2% and I think we will pretty soon, the way things are going now.

> I'm sorry if I fight being taxed to death in regards to this.

But are you fighting taxes or arguing that money is being spent on the wrong things? I.e. are you saying "I oppose high taxes because they just get spent on X!" whereas in most countries you'd see people say "Let's spend less of the tax money on X".

> Currently my taxes pay for NASA to stop studying climate change and for the White House family to constantly vacation and live in places other than DC.

I think a lot (most western?) countries have funding for space exploration, climate research etc. I certainly pay for ESA research just like you'd pay for NASA, and we obviously have climate research etc. I think the cost of the US presidency seems like a blank check if the president himself is able to choose where to go/stay/live.

I also pay for the living and security expenses of a prime minister. They obviously are nothing like the US expenses of the same kind - but that's because I'd vote to change that if it was too high. Now that I'm thinking about it, my (official, ceremonial) head of state is the King. So I pay for a King to live in a castle!. I don't mind doing that though. The costs are "reasonable". Any excess is immediately causing headlines and calling for a republic...

> Worse, federal taxes are just one piece of the pie for Americans.

That's not unique to the US. Obviously in every single country of the world you have administrative divisions on various levels (cantons, counties, regions, states, ...) and often several of these administrative divisions have taxation. In Sweden i'm income taxed on 3 levels (local, regionl, national). But it's deducted in one place from my paycheck so I don't notice much. The state level taxes are also used to pay our expensive EU membership which effectively makes that a fourth level, a kind of federal spending - so my tax money is for example subsidizing farmers in eastern europe.

> I think a lot of anti-tax attitudes here in the US aren't ignorance, but a protest against a corrupt system wasting money

I realize that. But it seems like an indirect and inefficient way of protesting wars and corruption! Don't starve government, change it. Vote. If voting doesn't change anything then change that (i.e. change first-past-the-post elections, gerrymandering and all those other defects - until voting actually changes things). Especially since in the US, budget cuts tend to kill things like meals on wheels before it kills foreign wars.

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Is that still true if you take African Americans out of the equation, I am genuinely curious?

If you take out African Americans and Hispanics then no.

Well, but then also in the general population republicans win everything, so one must be careful with that analysis.

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Is that still true if you take African Americans out of the equation, I am genuinely curious?

If you take out African Americans and Hispanics then no.

Well, but then also in the general population republicans win everything, so one must be careful with that analysis.

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Salaries for professionals are markedly lower, we live in much smaller houses etc. I get the feeling that when you're winning at life in America... If having more money and a bigger house is winning that's true, but many people don't see life that way. Being happy, having time to enjoy life with your friends, doing worthwhile and interesting things, raising your kids well, etc are also ways to win. In general if you…

Yeah, try enjoying your time with friends and long vacations with no money in your pocket. Fuck Berlin.

try enjoying your time with friends and long vacations

Try enjoying your time with friends and long vacations when you work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week! Ah, you can't! See!

There's a balance to be struck. Having no money isn't fun, but having no time isn't fun either. If you talk to people about their regrets, it's much more common to hear people lament working longer hours than not having had enough money.

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