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Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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As someone who would love to buy this for long bicycle trips, I'm a bit turned off by the subscription model. I know you want to hook me with a steady supply of superior coffee that's quicker to make, but I love the ritual of brewing my own pour-over coffee too much to think I'd give that up.

Totally get that! I love making coffee too (guess that's why I'm a barista). Our goal is not to replace your existing coffee rituals but rather to offer an alternative that's better than other instants etc.

Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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Happy to answer whatever questions we can disclose! Thanks for starting the thread. It's somewhere in the middle to be honest. We did not invent freeze dried coffee - it's been around for over a century. However, it is quite difficult to make it work at-scale in a way that's profitable/sustainable, and that still tastes good. I have a pretty extensive background in operations, manufacturing, & tech and I had to pull…

Who is your target? If people want good tasting coffee, like a connoisseur, one would like the option of selecting the type of bean, where it is sourced from, how it's roasted, how it's ground, how it's brewed etc. People even vehemently oppose and stand by brewing methods, which to an ordinary person who doesn't care about coffee, wouldn't care about. And if someone is buying instant coffee anyways, I doubt they car…

I don't have any evidence to support this other than anecdotes, but I would bet there is a much larger group in the middle than you imply. Plenty of people (myself included) appreciate good coffee without being fanatical about it. If you can offer the same taste as pourover without the work, I think you can capture quite a significant portion of the market. But then again, I could be overestimating that based on my own biases.

Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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I've recently cut down to one or two cups a day, and I'm not super picky, so I'm not the target market here, but I'll give my two cents anyway in case it helps. Number one, $19 for 8 cups of instant coffee seems really expensive. I can get a really good basic coffee around here (Boulder, CO) for between $1.50 and $3, depending on size and quality. If the instant costs almost as much, I might as well just walk across…

Thanks for the feedback! The price is that high because of the quality of coffee and process we use. My co-founder Josh wrote a blog post about it here: https://goo.gl/mYuxkt

Re: extraction - We've thought of that. With our current equipment it's not possible. I think the more realistic way would be to extract the coffee once and sell the spent grounds to another company for further extraction.

Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

#185
post #82

My two cents from a sustainability perspective. My girlfriend and I would never consider something like this due to the high volume of plastic involved. Can you make the containers compostable?

Working on it. We do individual servings because they preserve freshness - that's the only reason we do it. It's hard for us to do compostable since we are still very small compared to your average consumer good, but we are 100% committed to doing it when we are big enough. We even have 2 sustainability advisors involved with the company.

Yeah, the amount of plastic waste here would eliminate a lot of the kind of thinking buyers you might normally get. Hope you find a solution, and hope you sell in Netherlands!

Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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Like other people, I'm not precisely the target market. I brew my own pourover with beans I get from my local roaster (hooray Andytown!) and admit that part of my love of the whole thing is for the ritual of grinding, weighing and so on. That said, I appreciate good-tasting coffee, enjoy trying new things, and am intrigued. I could see uses for this, and it would make an interesting gift. I'm way more likely to buy a…

Thanks for the feedback! I love Andytown - have you been to the new shop yet? I live in TL and wish it was closer :(

Haven't been down to taraval yet - I live just a couple blocks from the lawton shop. Maybe tomorrow- I'm out of amaro gayo, so I could check out the new location.

Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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Every flight I've been on with Starbucks VIA has been absolute trash. Airplane coffee quite literally tastes like it was made with toilet water. That's honestly the only way I can describe it. I'm bearish on any improvements because I'm convinced the problem is the water they use.

The decrease in air pressure and humidity also have big effects on your sensation of food(smell and taste) http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150112-why-in-flight-food-... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9408563

Apparently the companies making coffee for planes have (de)pressure chambers to conduct tastings.

Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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So, I am curious -- A while ago I experimented with making a better instant coffee. I came up with a few different solutions. I'm curious as to whether you've looked into them: 1) Pouring a ristretto into liquid nitrogen. At reconstitution time, put into boiling water and stir. Issue: Cold coffee, potential colloid separation -- solutions might include some kind of stabilizer 2) Taking a ristretto and removing water…

1) You need to keep it frozen, right? That makes it a lot more complicated + probably issues with the colloids (we experienced that at one point) 2) The bigger challenge is actually brewing large amount of ristrettos/espressos, not necessarily concentrating it. 3) just sounds way too complicated to me to rival/equal soluble coffee Edit: haven't really looked into any of these as a feasible option for us.

This might be a trade secret, but how are you keeping the colloid solution coherent?

I'm kinda surprised you say that brewing the ristrettos are the hard parts. I know that centrifugal brewing is all the rage these days (as siphon, pour-over, and espresso were before), but it seems like automating espresso is a solved problem. Are there no industrial-scale burr grinders?

I think the biggest problem would be tamping and getting that to be consistent.

Is there anyone who needs industrial scale espresso?

Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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Sorry friend but I just visited your https://www.exelion.net website and the level of arrogance in your comment is really unwelcoming and misplaced.

Last time I noticed, I wasn't seeking YC investment. Also, ad hominem attacks aren't really tolerated on HN. But hey, lets not help YC companies and let them squander that investment. If there is a market for their product, I hope they succeed; but they aren't going to succeed with the current state of that website.

I agree with you that our website needs a lot of work. We just hired our first software engineer to work on it and are currently working with a design agency to make it a lot better. All feedback much appreciated!

Re: Launch HN: Sudden Coffee (YC W17) – Instant coffee that doesn't suck

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post #172

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Thanks for the feedback! I love Andytown - have you been to the new shop yet? I live in TL and wish it was closer :(

Haven't been down to taraval yet - I live just a couple blocks from the lawton shop. Maybe tomorrow- I'm out of amaro gayo, so I could check out the new location.

Really like the new one. Had a shot of the Gayo espresso and it was great.
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