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Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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I hope this means the end of Silverlight on the desktop - as it is still required for Amazon Video and NOW TV (in the UK at least).

I can't complain about Now TV's tech priorities. They've recently added subtitles to their ondemand platform (on the Smart TV Box at least).

Amazon Prime Video runs in Chrome on Linux/Chrome OS or via Silverlight. Hopefully this news will likewise enable it in Firefox on Linux too.

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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What the hell is Gog? Serious question. It was obviously never going to be my contention that there were no DRM-free video content producers. Just the major ones.

gog.com is actually pretty good for getting somewhat older computer games. Like steam, but with even less hassle, and fewer hassles like the steam client deciding it doesn't like your network connection.

They have recent ones too, as long as developers are willing to release DRM-free. I recently bought Torment: Tides of Numenera there.

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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Browser makers have plenty leverage. A Firefox user watching Netflix will, and this is a tautology, be worse off if they cannot continue doing so. That may lead to people switching to other browsers more often than dropping Netflix subscriptions, but the costs for Netflix wouldn't be 0, and may even be substantial considering the population of people using Firefox is self-selected to those placing a high value on ope…

Not only is it not true that Netflix would cave if they didn't have native browser support, but we know it's not true, because Netflix for years relied on plugins to deliver over browsers. Meanwhile, every year that passes, browsers have less leverage as more Netflix subscribers get their content either on set-top boxes or mobile devices (where Netflix has total end-to-end control), and fewer are stuck with browsers.

Netflix would not have the option anymore to use plugins now. They are gone, and browser would not bring them back just for Netflix.

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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gog.com is actually pretty good for getting somewhat older computer games. Like steam, but with even less hassle, and fewer hassles like the steam client deciding it doesn't like your network connection.

They have recent ones too, as long as developers are willing to release DRM-free. I recently bought Torment: Tides of Numenera there.

What's the biggest title any developer has released direct (or "recent") to Gog without DRM?

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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You don't see in what sense forcing the implementation of DRM into an open standard (HTTP in a broad sense, which includes HTML, JS, etc.), that has been developed for the past decades in a rather open way so your company can keep making profits could be "freeloading"? Not to mention setting it up in such a way that their part of the web is broken if for some reason you do not have their blessing for their DRM. Netfl…

No, I don't. Can you help me understand? Netflix isn't preventing you from using any of the open standards already implemented in a browser.

No, they're not. However, the standard itself is now tainted with this.

By forcing their way into the standard with EME, yes, they did. You cannot implement the full standard without getting their blessing.

They profited from the entire work done by hundreds of persons on an open standard, and implemented a proprietary solution on top of it. And made it part of the standard.

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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post #293

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Not only is it not true that Netflix would cave if they didn't have native browser support, but we know it's not true, because Netflix for years relied on plugins to deliver over browsers. Meanwhile, every year that passes, browsers have less leverage as more Netflix subscribers get their content either on set-top boxes or mobile devices (where Netflix has total end-to-end control), and fewer are stuck with browsers.

Netflix would not have the option anymore to use plugins now. They are gone, and browser would not bring them back just for Netflix.

In which case Netflix would simply make available a "native" application for Windows and OS X, like Slack does, and everybody loses (except Netflix).

Proof: this is exactly what Amazon does with Kindle content.

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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Translation: Netflix successfully lobied DRM into what is supposed to be the OPEN web standard, to the point where even Firefox couldn't afford not to support it. Dark days for the free exchange of information enabled by the web.

Sorry, but as someone who spent nearly a decade founding and building a premium content VOD service, and 6 of those years fighting fiercely against DRM and making great content available without DRM, I have both the knowledge and moral authority to say that you're living in a fantasy world. You might as well say that anyone who is not living an RMS-sanctioned ascetic technology lifestyle is hurting the cause of free…

I think you're living in fantasy world where DRM actually works. Not once has DRM prevented me from watching a netflix show, it's only prevented me from watching it on netflix.

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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> by standardizing everything but (in essence) the authenticated key derivation step. Your argument is that EME covers most of the code responsible implementing DRM. This is false. EME is a small part. The large majority of the implementation is not standardized. For example, there is no equivalent of NPAPI in the post-EME world; the CDM/browser interface is browser-specific.

No, that's not my argument, as you can see from my comment above. What you've done here is twist my argument around to introduce claims I didn't make that you find easy to rebut.

> by standardizing everything but (in essence) the authenticated key derivation step

Is there another interpretation of 'everything' in this context? You're making EME far more comprehensive than it is. CDMs do way more than derive a key, so your statement is false on its face.

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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They have recent ones too, as long as developers are willing to release DRM-free. I recently bought Torment: Tides of Numenera there.

What's the biggest title any developer has released direct (or "recent") to Gog without DRM?

Biggest in the sense of sales, size of the game or development budget? GOG don't really publish their sales numbers, and budgets are often relatively private too, unless it's a crowdfunded project. But I'd guess it's probably The Witcher 3 which is quite a big game in many senses.

From the recently released, Shadow Warrior 2 is also pretty big. I wouldn't call the above mentioned TToN a small game either.

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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Indeed it does, and I'm not in the lowest tier. The quality of video is very fine indeed when watching with, say, a Netflix app on a Sony TV, but I prefer to watch stuff on my desktop in a comfy chair, and for that, Netflix leaves wanting with video bitrate not always even above 1000 kbps. (Right now, for the movie “Collateral”, the highest bitrate offered is 870 kbps when watching in a browser. I'm almost certain it…

Sadly, you need to use Internet Explorer (or Safari) for the best quality, unless that changed.

Yeah, 1080p is reserved for those only. You can get pretty good quality in other browsers as well (mostly for Netflix original content, though, like I described before).
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