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Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by flurdy »

erelde wrote: post #71
dragonwriter wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> London is special because there are a lot of Apple stores here (I count 7). That's more than many European countries have. Probably because London has more people than most European countries.

Whaa ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_... Yep, it's almost true. London 8.5M. If you count all 50 "countries" (some are a joke though) it ranks between the 21st and 22nd. Though in my city (Paris 11M, I think), similarly sized, there's only 2 Apple stores.

If you go by metropolitan area London(13M) and Paris(12M) would be 13th and 14th the country population list.

Ref:[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_by_...]

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by z3t4 »

SiVal wrote: post #14

I'm surprised to see "platforms" as Win: 41%, Desktop Linux: 33%, Mac: 18.4%. Presumably this question was about the machine you use to develop software on. The reason I'm surprised has nothing to do with any advocacy. It's just that whenever I look around at a non-Apple dev conference in the US (Web, for example), it looks as though fewer than 1/5 of the machines are NON-Macs, while the answer to the question above…

Nice to see Linux Desktop so high. Are we entering the era of Linux Desktop ?

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by warp »

SiVal wrote: post #14

I'm surprised to see "platforms" as Win: 41%, Desktop Linux: 33%, Mac: 18.4%. Presumably this question was about the machine you use to develop software on. The reason I'm surprised has nothing to do with any advocacy. It's just that whenever I look around at a non-Apple dev conference in the US (Web, for example), it looks as though fewer than 1/5 of the machines are NON-Macs, while the answer to the question above…

Macs are good travel laptops.

My windows and linux installs never reliably go to sleep on their respective laptops when I close them -- and I cannot be bothered to figure out whether it's a hardware problem, or a software problem... I'll just bring the mac which does sleep reliably.

It also has pretty good battery life compared to my other machines.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by Baeocystin »

douche wrote: post #25
SiVal wrote: post #14

I'm surprised to see "platforms" as Win: 41%, Desktop Linux: 33%, Mac: 18.4%. Presumably this question was about the machine you use to develop software on. The reason I'm surprised has nothing to do with any advocacy. It's just that whenever I look around at a non-Apple dev conference in the US (Web, for example), it looks as though fewer than 1/5 of the machines are NON-Macs, while the answer to the question above…

StackOverflow is more tilted towards "dark matter developers"[1] than many other places - the unseen, the unheralded, those that are toiling away at LOB apps inside of companies. Often they're using PHP or Java or C#, or god help them, Visual Basic, still. Those are not necessarily the kind of people that are going to be seen at dev conferences, but there is a huge number of them, and they use StackOverflow hard. [1]…

Heh. Two of my clients are still using VB Apps I wrote for them in VB6. I'm not ashamed. They work, and they've worked well for 12+ years, with only the most minor of updates. Not every business follows the 'innovate fast and break things' mold. Thankfully.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

#96

Post by erelde »

flurdy wrote: post #91
erelde wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whaa ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_... Yep, it's almost true. London 8.5M. If you count all 50 "countries" (some are a joke though) it ranks between the 21st and 22nd. Though in my city (Paris 11M, I think), similarly sized, there's only 2 Apple stores.

If you go by metropolitan area London(13M) and Paris(12M) would be 13th and 14th the country population list. Ref:[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_by_... ]

The point isn't that though. Very similar cities have a very different number of Apple stores.

Paris and London are 500km apart, a couple hours of train or plane away from each other, both capital cities, both have ~10¨7 people.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by OJFord »

erelde wrote: post #71
dragonwriter wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> London is special because there are a lot of Apple stores here (I count 7). That's more than many European countries have. Probably because London has more people than most European countries.

Whaa ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_... Yep, it's almost true. London 8.5M. If you count all 50 "countries" (some are a joke though) it ranks between the 21st and 22nd. Though in my city (Paris 11M, I think), similarly sized, there's only 2 Apple stores.

> "countries" (some are a joke though)

Which? Vatican City is fairly extraordinary, granted, but I think 'a joke' is unfair...

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by OJFord »

TorKlingberg wrote: post #80
flurdy wrote: post #56

43% prefer tabs? Get out! [ http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017/#work-tabs-or-... ]

Yes, strange, I rarely encounter codebases with tabs. I wonder if some of them mean they press the tab key and the editor adds spaces.

> strange, I rarely encounter codebases with tabs

I prefer tabs, but I never use them.

It's like social networks, it doesn't matter what you prefer, it matters what your friends prefer. If 57% prefer spaces, well okay I suppose we're using spaces then.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by syntheticnature »

z3t4 wrote: post #92
SiVal wrote: post #14

I'm surprised to see "platforms" as Win: 41%, Desktop Linux: 33%, Mac: 18.4%. Presumably this question was about the machine you use to develop software on. The reason I'm surprised has nothing to do with any advocacy. It's just that whenever I look around at a non-Apple dev conference in the US (Web, for example), it looks as though fewer than 1/5 of the machines are NON-Macs, while the answer to the question above…

Nice to see Linux Desktop so high. Are we entering the era of Linux Desktop ?

Perhaps if you're a dev.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by ryanmarsh »

frogfuzion wrote: post #38
markatkinson wrote: post #3

It is weird being a "desktop application" and mobile developer and knowing that 70% of developers do something that I am completely unfamiliar with. Web development to me feels like the Boneyard from the Lion King. This shadow land that I am too terrified to enter into, and I have no idea why I feel this way. It also bugs me like it might be a huge shortcoming at some point in my life that I have no grasp of it.

As someone who has to work in both for work, I understand your sentiment. I much prefer your world. I think the difference is that in Desktop/Mobile, whatever crap has stuck to the wall for years - you must use because you don't have a choice. And usually this crap is fairly well documented because it is your only choice. In the Web World, there is a bunch of crap thrown at the wall (every day) and you have no idea w…

This is the best metaphor I've seen in a while.

For example, NSDateFormatter is fugly but well documented[0] . Also, the MVC pattern in iOS is from macOS which is from Next (I hear).

OTOH I'm building my first React + Redux app and the best practices and patterns are still emerging. I feel like next year most of what I just learned won't matter.

[0]: http://nsdateformatter.com

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