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Launch HN: Boxouse (YC W17) – Shipping-container homes

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#141
Some feedback: if you have to append (ish) to call them beautiful, they're probably not beautiful. The photos make them look very shoddy, something put together as a weekend project by amateurs. I don't know much about this "space" (hipsters who want to live in shipping containers I'm guessing...) but I'd be surprised if these are competitive. I could be totally wrong though! I once visited a hipster enclave that was basically a bunch of containers slapped together into a 6 unit Airbnb operation so there is defintely some demand.

On a more general note, this is not really a positive solution to the housing crisis which would be repealing nimby laws and the fed stopping pumping up asset prices. But best of luck.

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#142
Out-of-touch SV types discover the single-wide trailer, decide to make crappy ones from containers and overcharge for them.

You know, Warren Buffet already has that business model and moats don't get a lot wider than Berkshire Hathaway. He also has his own predatory bank, insurance companies, real estate brokerage franchise, railroad, and container manufacturing.

Good luck.

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#143
1. "Visit Boxouse $40" sounds like you are charging money for tours, which almost made me leave the site immediately: tweak the copy to say "Stay in a Boxouse $40" or "Try a Boxouse $40"

2. Your presentation needs work.

- Barebones: needs a photo that's less dark, also more than one photo (including inside and outside) - Standard: decent photos, looks bright & clean - Boxouse Deluxe: despite having some nice details this looks like a junky piece of crap. The photo quality is the worst of the three, and the house in the photo is messy and unappealing. The side with the mattress looks sloppy (is that a deflated air mattress? A sleeping bag over a sagging mattress? Whatever it is I don't want to even sit on it, much less sleep on it) and the Ikea-esque drawers with the awkward space between looks unfinished or dysfunctional. The other side by the metal tub has a trashcan and two gadgets plugged in... don't know what they are but that whole side just looks like random junk in the corner of a garage.

The boxouse in the "Visit Boxouse" page is bright, has some design and is appealing: this is what a deluxe one should look like, not the sloppy thing you have there now.

3. If your business model is to deploy them to people's houses for free and split rent revenue, why is your website geared around individual sales?

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#144

I really don't understand the appeal of this. Are people really so desperate to live in an expensive city that they'd be willing to live in a box? Also, how do you plan to get away from the image of metal box houses being tied to shanty-towns and favelas?

Yes I suspect they are. Rents are incredibly high in major cities. Having seen the size (&cost) of the rooms available for rent in london these containers look quite reasonable.

In the west we don't have favelas so while I think it would be a down-point, I don't think there would be such a strong negative connotation.

Re: Launch HN: Boxouse (YC W17) – Shipping-container homes

#145
Man, it's been 23 hours since this was posted, and lots of negative feedback. With that intro, you might expect me to be different, but sadly, I'm not.

If you haven't read the graphic novel about Honest Tea, I recommend it. One thing made an impression on me: you can't sell sustainable organic tea if it tastes bad.

This was born, as you say, out of "frustration with paying high rent for crappy apartments." It seems your 1st attempt at solving this frustration is to charge a high price for crappy containers.

People have become strongly accustomed to excellent design, and so what used to be passable is now off-putting.

The core problem is that there is nothing about what you're doing that provides credible justification that your approach is a real advance. The trial program ain't it, neither is the rent-sharing. You need something more surpising. What would be compelling enough to tempt a claustrophobic person like me to buy a Boxouse? Nothing I've seen yet.

What about building a little hotel out of stacked Boxouses? I'd be more apt to try it if it came with all the amenities of a normal hotel, and gave the perception that lots of people stay there. (Yeah, I know, I'm a follower, whatever.)

You obviously have something going for you if YC took you, but whatever appealed to YC does not come through on the website. I hope things turn up for you guys (sincerely).

Re: Launch HN: Boxouse (YC W17) – Shipping-container homes

#146

I really don't understand the appeal of this. Are people really so desperate to live in an expensive city that they'd be willing to live in a box? Also, how do you plan to get away from the image of metal box houses being tied to shanty-towns and favelas?

Yes I suspect they are. Rents are incredibly high in major cities. Having seen the size (&cost) of the rooms available for rent in london these containers look quite reasonable. In the west we don't have favelas so while I think it would be a down-point, I don't think there would be such a strong negative connotation.

we don't, but the image of favelas is pretty pervasive in popular culture eg movies.

Re: Launch HN: Boxouse (YC W17) – Shipping-container homes

#147

Out-of-touch SV types discover the single-wide trailer, decide to make crappy ones from containers and overcharge for them. You know, Warren Buffet already has that business model and moats don't get a lot wider than Berkshire Hathaway. He also has his own predatory bank, insurance companies, real estate brokerage franchise, railroad, and container manufacturing. Good luck.

That is interesting. I had no idea. I already had my reasons for not liking Warren Buffet but this was new to me.

Re: Launch HN: Boxouse (YC W17) – Shipping-container homes

#148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've followed this space for years now. The problem I see is, at these prices, someone like n-exploit can hire a custom builder to do it exactly to their tastes/layout. I'm not seeing what benefit do you add to the existing ecosystem?

I will be absolutely stunned if you can get a tiny home custom-built with a solar system half this size for less than 80k.

The Deluxe priced at $49k is very basic finish that could be replicated for $30k max, potentially much cheaper. So does a 1kW solar system bridge the price gap? Not even close

The reason you anchor on that 80k number is because custom building usually has a lot extra. Better quality. High cost materials. More carpentry. This is basically a plywood box and a solar system. And a solar system of this size is only a few grand installed.

Re: Launch HN: Boxouse (YC W17) – Shipping-container homes

#149

Can we please stop making the fifth element into a reality? Humans need space.

tell that to the voters in CA who refuse all development. Right now, every freakin house or townhouse built is within 2 feet of each other.

I wouldn't mind this density if it were at least being used to some advantage: for example mixing up the zoning to make a neighborhood walkable, perhaps a local library, or local grocery store or local cafe. But no. Everything is on top of each other for miles on end, with the same cookie cutter tiny townhouse next to each other with no walkability at all.

And then you have these section 8 areas that subsidize undesirable housing (raising crime) and just raise the cost of housing for everyone else.

Re: Launch HN: Boxouse (YC W17) – Shipping-container homes

#150

Luke and Heather, I love it. Here are some requests: - USB Wall outlets - A panel system around the house to keep cords organized - More pics - Info on how much weight can the bed / tables hold As for questions, how much does would that Solar power (1kw) on the Boxhouse Deluxe power? Could it handle a Macbook Pro playing video games, a 4k tv screen, a heater running 16 hours a day?

Thanks; great suggestions. 1kW is more than enough to run all of that, with the heater being the only questionable element. In Oakland, we're fine with 1kW to keep ambient in-container temp at 65F year-round.
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