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Carlsbad, CA to photograph every car entering city

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Re: Carlsbad, CA to photograph every car entering city

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One aspect of this that isn't widely discussed is that license plate data collected is often shared or rented to auto financers and lenders by the company or municipality collecting the data. It allows them to keep tabs on subprime auto loan debtors (the numbers of which have been booming in the US the past few years).

Sources: http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2014/10/16/356...

http://www.alliedsolutions.net/Our-Solutions/Collections.asp...

Re: Carlsbad, CA to photograph every car entering city

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Honestly, why do we expect privacy on a public road? I could install small camera on my house, direct it at the road, and start recording. Run it through some image recognition, and share it online. Am I violating your privacy?

I tend to agree. I think the problem with this system isn't the privacy aspect, but rather the waste of tax money.

Re: Carlsbad, CA to photograph every car entering city

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Honestly, why do we expect privacy on a public road? I could install small camera on my house, direct it at the road, and start recording. Run it through some image recognition, and share it online. Am I violating your privacy?

We've established this time and time again, it's the scale and comprehensiveness of the coverage and the power/authority of the entity collecting the data that matters.

Re: Carlsbad, CA to photograph every car entering city

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post #50

Honestly, why do we expect privacy on a public road? I could install small camera on my house, direct it at the road, and start recording. Run it through some image recognition, and share it online. Am I violating your privacy?

We've established this time and time again, it's the scale and comprehensiveness of the coverage and the power/authority of the entity collecting the data that matters.

Given that this is a city, it seems like this fight will come up a million times across the country. Is there some more federal legislation that should be pushed to block this type of practice?

Something akin to the consumer privacy act, but instead the citizen privacy act?

Re: Carlsbad, CA to photograph every car entering city

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Fastrak is shipped with a mylar bag that prevents scanning so you can have privacy on-demand. Also, Caltrans routinely scans Fastrak transponders silently in non-toll areas to gauge traffic flow.

"Also, Caltrans routinely scans Fastrak transponders silently in non-toll areas to gauge traffic flow." Wow really? Where exactly? The trackers are not that small and I doubt they are all over 280 or 101 otherwise I would have noticed them by now..

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Re: Carlsbad, CA to photograph every car entering city

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fastrak is shipped with a mylar bag that prevents scanning so you can have privacy on-demand. Also, Caltrans routinely scans Fastrak transponders silently in non-toll areas to gauge traffic flow.

"Also, Caltrans routinely scans Fastrak transponders silently in non-toll areas to gauge traffic flow." Wow really? Where exactly? The trackers are not that small and I doubt they are all over 280 or 101 otherwise I would have noticed them by now..

EzPass toll tags being read outside toll areas is very common through out the tri-state area. The project mahyarm mentioned below is called "Midtown in Motion" where the tags are used to control the traffic light timing dynamically throughout the day (with humans overseeing too). You can find the readers placed usually behind information signs that are mounted on gantries or just plain in the open on traffic lights: https://b-i.forbesimg.com/kashmirhill/files/2013/09/Screen-S...

The other uses for the tag data include generating real time travel time to NYC airports from certain location in the metro area, as well as the data is fed into planning and road maintenance authorities.

Finally related to the article about taking a picture of every car, this is really nothing new as every car that drives into Manhattan has its plate read regardless of which bridge or tunnel you take, and those ALPR's are operated by NYPD... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/20/Brookyn_Bridg...

Read more here: https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-future/newly-obtained-records...

Re: Carlsbad, CA to photograph every car entering city

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> Four council members, however, said they’re confident the information can be kept secure Based on what? The contract appears to be with a company that provides safety equipment, not electronics/surveillance equipment. How exactly is Mallory Safety & Supply a trusted security provider? > and that the system will increase safety for residents and police officers. Based on what? > They also said it may deter criminals…

Doesn't the city of Tiburon already photograph all cars going in and out of the city[1]? There is only one road in and out of it (a circular/peripheral road) and given most inhabitants are of means, they got break-ins and robberies from people not living within Tiburon, so they decided to photograph vehicles going in and out of their community.

[1]http://www.marinscope.com/twin_cities_times/news/tiburon-to-...

Re: Carlsbad, CA to photograph every car entering city

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've established this time and time again, it's the scale and comprehensiveness of the coverage and the power/authority of the entity collecting the data that matters.

Given that this is a city, it seems like this fight will come up a million times across the country. Is there some more federal legislation that should be pushed to block this type of practice? Something akin to the consumer privacy act, but instead the citizen privacy act?

lol, who do you think is going to fund this?

Re: Carlsbad, CA to photograph every car entering city

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How good are those cameras, though? I've crossed from Marin at least 8 times now, each time with the "cash taker" lanes having no staff. I assumed it would be like in Houston, where you just get billed via mail, or can call and pay. Nobody I've called is aware of me owing anything on my plate, though, and I've never got anything in the mail. Maybe I did my plates wrong... I also never received the ticket the angry SF…

are those parking enforcement people at SFO cops? I always thought they were hired hands or something. They do wear shiny badges to look like cops though. While the police have their faults, they usually control things much better, I feel. The dropoff area at SFO is a tragedy.

Fly SJC or OAK whenever you can. Much less painful.

Re: Carlsbad, CA to photograph every car entering city

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Also, Caltrans routinely scans Fastrak transponders silently in non-toll areas to gauge traffic flow." Wow really? Where exactly? The trackers are not that small and I doubt they are all over 280 or 101 otherwise I would have noticed them by now..

I've seen a video of someone who rewired their transponder in NYC and showed it actually got scanned at every second intersection. You can do something similar with yours. I'm not too worried about it per se, since a camera can do something similar.

I'm pretty sure this is the talk you're thinking of.[0]

[0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZxKlFV0chw

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