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Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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Yeah a few years ago it was SEO courses , now Amazon selling courses which are way overpriced, next ... ? Who gets rich in a goldfish, the miners or the person selling the tools?

If you're in a goldfish I think you're already out of luck

I think he's trying to say "you can't teach a goldmine to ride a bicycle".

Edit: Humorless. Sad.

Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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>In the end Amazon has banned the two sellers, but moving forward it is difficult to police 3,000 listings so we have not been expanding what we are doing on there. Does the API still return offer count? If you're truly the only legit seller, set up an alert if offerCount >> 1. Even without the API this should be pretty trivial to scrape.

But the first sale doctrine means there can be other legit sellers. There's no way to be certain whether a third party seller is selling a counterfeit (except by buying it).

One could just buy a certain percentage of those allegedly resold items that have a lower-than-suggested price, and then report every one that turns out to be counterfeit.

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Counterfeits in comingled inventory has become pretty common on Amazon these days. "Fulfillment by amazon" has led them to comingle inventories on common products, meaning every seller's product gets jumbled together. I've gotten counterfeit huggies diapers from amazon (invalid serial number for huggies 'points' and different build quality), Mach 3 razor blades, GE MWF Water filters, even a counterfeit baby bath. The…

I've stopped using Amazon for: - Anything eaten - Anything that consumes or stores power (too much fire risk) - Anything worn on the body (even socks) And now, based on this article, it appears I'll have to stop using them for books, as how can I be sure it's word-for-word the same? What's left?

I can't believe they let this go on while trying to market groceries. There's no way I'd ever consider buying anything edible from them. Unfortunately, a lot of people don't even realize they're being sold counterfeit goods.

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The difference is that Google isn't pirating the book. It is being hosted on Google Docs. This is no different than if someone put the PDF on Dropbox and made it public. It isn't Google's pirate link. It is a link to a pirated file that just happens to be hosted on Google Docs. The difference here is that Amazon is actually printing the pirated book. Google is just hosting a file that happens to be made publicly view…

I'm not sure I personally see much difference. In both cases, the hosting corporation is reproducing a pirated file. One does so physically and one does so on an electronic screen, but both processes are automated piracy.

One does so physically, and will charge you money to have the book shipped to you, and is trying to make you think that you're getting the legit book.

Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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I assume you're trying to imply that danjoc is racistly assuming that these "entrepreneurs" are Chinese? It seems to me you're the one who brought that assumption in. Alibaba is Chinese, sure, but the "entrepreneurs" in question are not necessarily.

I try to relive the historic moment, when printing without royalty was common place- also know as enlightenment. Im not implying racism, its just the anger of the has-something over the ladder climbers beneath taking the same steps, his grandfather took, to get "up". I mock, what every book on the history on printing could tell you- that this joke was here several times. Although never this cheap before. People who l…

Impressive Markov work, dude.

Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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Ohh, I get it now. HN hates Amazon. I wasn't aware of that. It's not Google defenders or Python for Kids people clicking down. It's people who have a visceral hate for Amazon. I knew HN basically hated Apple, but this is news to me. Thanks for the clarification guys :)

HN hates Apple? Whatever drugs you're on, it might be time to cut back...

Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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Amazon does indeed print books through its Createspace print-on-demand division. It’s been used by hundreds of thousands of self-publishers but also indie presses seeking to sell additional copies without investing in a big offset print run. If the pirate attempted to use an existing ISBN (required to match up the listings) I am pretty sure Createspace would automatically flag it [ETA: Not so sure anymore. See http:/…

Depends on how amazon's lawyers looked at it. I suspect they assumed that section 230 of the CDA, and the DMCA would cover them. However because physical paper copies are being generated that voids both the protections provided by both laws. Amazon is most likely criminally and civilly liable here . I am not a lawyer and nothing here should be considered legal advice merely personal opinion

IANAL also, but to get criminal case here a prosecutor would have to do something like find an email from an Amazon executive saying "let's keep selling fakes."

Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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Amazon is turning into a mine field for legitimate sellers. I have a customer I work closely with to integrate their customer products into Amazon. They have a catalog of 3,000 stock parking signs listed on Amazon. We took considerable time to buy custom SKUs and get them listed. We discovered in the last month two separate Chinese sellers utilized the Amazon buy box feature and listed on our product page for less mo…

It's a minefield for buyers as well. I have ordered products from Amazon's web site for many years, probably more than 15. Recently, I am getting reluctant to buy because there are so many counterfeit products.

As an example, I wanted to by a genuine Lenovo charger for my X230 laptop. If you want to share my pain, try finding the real McCoy on Amazon.com. I also had to replace my keyboard. That was even worse than the chargers. The products say they are manufactured by Lenovo but they are clearly not. In the end, I suspect the keyboard and charger I got (which I paid quite a bit more than the clearly fake items) are still fakes. They have Lenovo's brand marks on them but they don't look exactly like the originals.

Another good example of counterfeits are cell phone batteries. I tried to buy a replacement battery for a Nexus phone. I had to give up because wading through the endless listings of counterfeit products is just too time consuming.

I don't think Amazon is doing nearly enough to stop this.

Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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It seems that these large distributors that aggregate from many sellers are once again having quality issues. However, they'll still get my business because of their many conveniences. I'm just less likely to use them for critical things like medicine or heavy equipment. I just went through something similar with some kitchen equipment purchased through Soap.com. I tried to claim warranty with the manufacturer, and t…

"if you choose to purchase our items please be sure that you are purchasing from someone we have authorized to do business with" - That's funny because, how do you, Joe Consumer, know what random companies are authorized to do business with what other random companies?

For a situation like this, I would hope (and assume, given their messaging) that they have a page on their website listing them.

Re: Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amazon's brand

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So, if this continues to be a problem, what’s the difference between using Amazon as a go-between and simply using a random web site you found? Wasn’t the whole point of using Amazon as intermediary to reduce the risk compared to ordering direct from an unknown web site?
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