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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

dagw wrote: post #215
Larrikin wrote: post #187

I've gotten a lot of use out of my iPad 3 and, up until it stopped getting updates and the touch screen started breaking down in the past few months, found no reason to upgrade or replace it. I use it nearly daily but mostly for reading textbooks and novels, reviewing language cards, and occasionally watching YouTube videos. It's been extremely useful for taking to the gym and allowing me to study while on the ellipt…

it's become very hard to justify getting a new iPad over something like the surface. The cheapest iPad is less than half the price of the cheapest surface, and if you only need the iPad features then the surface is really expensive. edit: Seems you can still get the old Surface 3, which only costs a bit more than an iPad.

You could get a cheaper Windows tablet from another vendor, however, and they're still great.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by digi_owl »

JohnnyConatus wrote: post #89

There is a legendary story about how Steve Jobs, upon his return to Apple, drastically cut-down the number of models that they offer. How on earth have they forgotten that lesson? Trying to figure out the differences between the 9.7" iPad and iPad pro is not easy, and regardless, it makes it harder to buy.

What he did was evict anything that happened while he was not present and thus didn't have his "touch"...

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by twblalock »

kalleboo wrote: post #203
Larrikin wrote: post #187

I've gotten a lot of use out of my iPad 3 and, up until it stopped getting updates and the touch screen started breaking down in the past few months, found no reason to upgrade or replace it. I use it nearly daily but mostly for reading textbooks and novels, reviewing language cards, and occasionally watching YouTube videos. It's been extremely useful for taking to the gym and allowing me to study while on the ellipt…

> it's become very hard to justify getting a new iPad over something like the surface Well the iPad starts at $329 and the Surface starts at $799... The Surface only makes sense if you want a large pro device

The Surface is also a lot heavier and more fatiguing to use as a handheld tablet.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by mjburgess »

sushisource wrote: post #366
cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the reasons why he did that was because Apple was dying. They didn't have money and resources to support many models, and they needed to focus and do one thing right. So it was the right decision. As much as I like simplicity, if you look around there are tons of cases like this around us, and that's not because these companies are idiots who don't understand simplicity but it's because their products have rea…

Wait, really? You and I being readers of Hacker News are probably in a better position than 90%+ of customers to understand the benefits of one iPad over another. If it's not clear to us... who is it clear to?

That's not how price hurdles work.

Products are segmented according to price, not features. There's a different market at each point and this determines what they will get -- not the reverse.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by ricardobeat »

eertami wrote: post #386
r0fl wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also have an old iPad 3. It certainly shows it's age and is significantly slower than my iPhone 7 Plus. However, the iPad 3 has worked well for FIVE years! I can count on one hand the number of times it has crashed, it has never been affected by malware, spyware, or some buggy crap software which wasted hours of my time. It has not disappointed me once in those 5 years. Why would I stray away from a product that ha…

>not having imessage (90% of my friends and family are on iOS device) iMessage sees very little usage outside of the US, where OP may not be based.

Or maybe it sees little usage inside of your own country? Even when most people use other messaging platforms, I see it used as the family/iphone-possessing-close-friends channel of choice, since it transparently replaces SMS.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by dijit27 »

methehack wrote: post #344
JohnnyConatus wrote: post #89

There is a legendary story about how Steve Jobs, upon his return to Apple, drastically cut-down the number of models that they offer. How on earth have they forgotten that lesson? Trying to figure out the differences between the 9.7" iPad and iPad pro is not easy, and regardless, it makes it harder to buy.

Been wondering the same thing. It's one of the my favorite stories from the Walter Isacson bio. After listening to all the product mgrs for like 3 days in all day meetings describe their 20+ hardware products, he draws a 2x2. Labels one axis "consumer/professional" the other "laptop/desktop" and says "you get four products". Clarity in product offerings means you know who you are; the inverse is also true.

I fondly remember seeing that product grid on Apple's website. And even though it isn't displayed as a grid I think the current iPad lineup fits the 2 axis concept pretty well. They still have the consumer/professional or consumption/creation axis. The Pro being the professional/creation end. And instead of laptop/desktop they have the size or portability axis. In the large professional there is the 12.9-inch iPad Pro, in the small professional there is the 9.7-inch iPad Pro. For the large consumer there is the iPad and finally the for the small consumer is the iPad mini.

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Post by budde »

stanmancan wrote: post #293
JohnnyConatus wrote: post #89

There is a legendary story about how Steve Jobs, upon his return to Apple, drastically cut-down the number of models that they offer. How on earth have they forgotten that lesson? Trying to figure out the differences between the 9.7" iPad and iPad pro is not easy, and regardless, it makes it harder to buy.

This is what happens when they don't have a "product" guy running the company anymore. Steve Jobs was brilliant at coming up with new products. Every since he left all we have gotten is the Apple Watch, which one can argue he probably had a hand in. Their only option now is to start creating variations of existing product lines to keep them "fresh".

> Steve Jobs was brilliant at coming up with new products

By my count, Jobs shepherded the following hit products (I'm giving the Apple ][ to Woz):

- Macintosh (1984)

- iPod (2001)

- iPhone (2007)

- iPad (2010)

I think you're exaggerating how often Apple rolled out new product lines under Jobs. You could even argue that the iPod and iPhone overshadow the other two substantially in terms of cultural impact.

> Their only option now is to start creating variations of existing product lines to keep them "fresh".

Isn't this kind of what you'd expect out of a business? Refreshing and supporting their existing product lines while occasionally trying to establish new ones? The iPhone is looking more and more like a once-in-a-lifetime home run product (Ben Thompson has done a lot of good writing on this), the likes of which Apple (or anybody else, for that matter) may never be able to top. This isn't to say that Apple doesn't miss having a visionary like Jobs at the helm or that their product lineup doesn't have glaring flaws. I just think the massive success of the iPhone set expectations way too high.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by egypturnash »

Larrikin wrote: post #187

I've gotten a lot of use out of my iPad 3 and, up until it stopped getting updates and the touch screen started breaking down in the past few months, found no reason to upgrade or replace it. I use it nearly daily but mostly for reading textbooks and novels, reviewing language cards, and occasionally watching YouTube videos. It's been extremely useful for taking to the gym and allowing me to study while on the ellipt…

I came very close to replacing my Mac Air with a Surface Pro 4 this past year, mostly didn't because of compatibility issues with Adobe Illustrator, my favorite drawing app.

MS claims 4h battery life at best, which I did find was true... after you dig deep into legacy control panels that look like it's still 1995. Out of the box the Pro 4 loves to wake up in your bag, look for wifi, then stay awake for a while doing absolutely nothing but burning through power, and you maybe get like 1h of actual use when you get to wherever you were going. I'm currently using a Wacom Mobile Studio^1, which also gets 4h. I'm constantly AWARE of and WORRIED ABOUT the thing's power levels in a way I'm not on the iPads. (Or the Mac Air for that matter.)

Apple lists like 9-10h for all current iPad models.

I may have my experience colored by mostly running a couple of desktop apps on my Win10 tablets, but I really find that Windows is not a very good tablet OS. Even in "tablet mode", which I keep it in pretty much all the time. It's just clunky and weird and maybe some of that's because this is the first Windows machine I've ever owned in my life, I dunno.

In general I don't think I'd recommend getting a Win10 tablet to replace an iPad. Get one if you have a Windows app you want to run, if you just wanna read stuff then buy a new iPad and don't worry about finding new apps to do the same stuff.

1: heavy, expensive, no kickstand, doesn't fit in most 13" bags. But it's stylus talks to Adobe Illustrator and that's my medium of choice.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by gpawl »

karlshea wrote: post #337
kevindqc wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? There is now 4 http://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/

The Pro is one line, there are just two screen sizes. The 9.7" Pro has the same processor as the larger pro and has compatibility with the pencil. The new 9.7" non-pro has the lower end chip and no pencil.

It's more a band than a line if there are two available at once

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by oostevo »

wnevets wrote: post #320

I know kids and grandparents that use tablets all the time but not really anyone outside of those age groups. Is anyone else finding that to be the case? I know I personally haven't used the ipad in months if not years at this point.

I use my iPad pro about as frequently as I use my Macbook Pro now.

As I've gotten further away from R&D and into business development and then a management-like role, most of my time is consumed reading and writing emails, using our internal messaging platform, and going to meetings.

The iPad keyboard works fine for writing short emails, it's much lighter to lug around between meetings than my laptop, and I feel less awkward using it in the back of an Uber to read/write emails when going to said meetings than I do my laptop.

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