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Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by dramamuch88 »

JohnnyConatus wrote: post #89

There is a legendary story about how Steve Jobs, upon his return to Apple, drastically cut-down the number of models that they offer. How on earth have they forgotten that lesson? Trying to figure out the differences between the 9.7" iPad and iPad pro is not easy, and regardless, it makes it harder to buy.

Little melodramatic much?

> Trying to figure out the differences between the 9.7" iPad and iPad pro is not easy...

http://www.apple.com/ipad-9.7/specs/

http://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/

> ...and regardless, it makes it harder to buy.

Note the "Buy" buttons on the top-right corner of those pages

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by Touche »

mulletbum wrote: post #335
alasdair_ wrote: post #317

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I have a pixel. Before that, I had a nexus 6. Both say "Google" on them and both were purchased because they were the canonical versions of Android without any of the crapware other vendors add.

Which has a better proc and camera? I'll guess Nexus 6 because 6 comes after what must be the Pixel 1. Naming schemes are terrible.

I've never heard such a confusion when it comes to TV purchases.

Life is imperfect and changing products require a little research. You can't just go to the store and buy the best socks either; if you want the best you got to do research. Thems the breaks.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by dramamuch88 »

sushisource wrote: post #366
cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #179

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One of the reasons why he did that was because Apple was dying. They didn't have money and resources to support many models, and they needed to focus and do one thing right. So it was the right decision. As much as I like simplicity, if you look around there are tons of cases like this around us, and that's not because these companies are idiots who don't understand simplicity but it's because their products have rea…

Wait, really? You and I being readers of Hacker News are probably in a better position than 90%+ of customers to understand the benefits of one iPad over another. If it's not clear to us... who is it clear to?

Anyone who has watched Apple over the last few years?

They've labeled the more expensive/"faster" models of their laptops "Pro" for quite a while. While the cheaper/less fast but still capable for a large swath of users lacked the "Pro".

You seem to assume most users are going to care. They'll have a price and get what they can for as close to that price as possible.

Average Jane/Joe doesn't wander around going "does it have ECC and multithreading?"

They're more concerned with "Can I Netflix, YouTube, and Facebook on it?"

For this new iPad the answer is "Yes." and they'll decide on price then.

This forum is making this much more complicated while arguing for simplicity.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by Tiktaalik »

emdowling wrote: post #121
joestr87 wrote: post #90

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So the 128Gb iPad Mini 4 has a smaller screen and a slower chip than the new 128Gb, but it's only £10 cheaper?

It is hard to see Apple keeping the mini around for much longer. I assume they are simply running down stock and will remove it soon, before end of the year.

I hope not. It's the best form factor. I think all the other iPads are too big.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by dramamuch88 »

therealdrag0 wrote: post #370
rconti wrote: post #359

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I am utterly confused. There was the iPad, then the Mini, then the Air, then the Pro.. and now I look at this, and 9.7" sounds fairly large ("normal" iPad size?) but the price is surprisingly cheap? No idea. closes window I've got about 6 tablets and never use any of them anyway. I hate the user experience. I see no case where I'd rather have a tablet than my phone or my 6 year old Macbook Air.

Why do you have 6 of them?

To justify not caring about this one.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by dramamuch88 »

dmix wrote: post #131
marvindanig wrote: post #123

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Also there was reason why Steve Jobs was against all tablet sizes except one. At the time Apple was going after revolutionizing the education market and the 9.7" iPad1/2 fit the bill for that purpose exactly. Then came the iPad mini whose sole purpose was to increase business bottom-line… and then a few more models based on other focuses or potential uses. Meh. Moral of story: Do not destroy the initial momentum and…

Current iPad sizes: - iPad Pro 12.9" - iPad Pro 9.7" - iPad 9.7" - iPad Mini 4 8" (edit: thanks pdpi/trymas) It really should just be iPad (9.7) or iPad Pro (12.9) should it not? Now the customer has to decide between two 9.7 models with not so obvious differences between the two? And now there are two (edit: three) different iPad pages on the sales website you have to go through. This changes the immediate conversat…

Suspect Apple has a pretty good idea of what features and prices people are willing to spend on iPad than anyone on HN.

Even if they get it "wrong", they're probably in a better position to judge.

No one says you should get an iPad. Deciding to is up to you. Make a decision for yourself; stop needing to be talked into things. Like it's another's job to inform you.

Good grief, this is where society is today? "Give me all my opinions?"

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by pjmlp »

soperj wrote: post #332
squeaky-clean wrote: post #143

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I always thought that was the iDevice's strength. With Android, you have nothing actually made by Google but by OEMs, with different names and branding that don't give any real information. Which phone is "the android"? My mom doesn't think she has an android phone, she thinks she has an LG and that Android is a different thing. People buy a low end Android phone and hate the entire ecosystem because the phone perfor…

At the end of the day, Google doesn't care if people don't know they're using Android, so long as they're using the google services.

Hence why they don't care about OS updates as Play Services run all the way down to 4.0.

So who cares if the customer owns a device full of security holes, they still get their money.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by cgh »

joeblau wrote: post #251
JohnnyConatus wrote: post #89

There is a legendary story about how Steve Jobs, upon his return to Apple, drastically cut-down the number of models that they offer. How on earth have they forgotten that lesson? Trying to figure out the differences between the 9.7" iPad and iPad pro is not easy, and regardless, it makes it harder to buy.

The main thing that comes to mind for me is the Apple Pencil.

Yes, exactly. The Apple Pencil is incredible, by the way. The experience is comparable in my mind to using the original iPhone for the first time. Apple should market the hell out of the 12.9" iPad Pro to artists.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by austenallred »

JohnnyConatus wrote: post #89

There is a legendary story about how Steve Jobs, upon his return to Apple, drastically cut-down the number of models that they offer. How on earth have they forgotten that lesson? Trying to figure out the differences between the 9.7" iPad and iPad pro is not easy, and regardless, it makes it harder to buy.

While that's true, Apple grew to have a wide variety of products during Jobs' tenure as well. In 2007 there was the iPod Nano, Touch, Shuffle, and Classic, for example.

So it may be that different times call for different strategies. Perhaps the lesson is that you should focus intensely in the beginning and ship varieties once the product has reached a certain level of maturity?

I'm not in a place to say, but sometimes I wonder if we could go back in time and replay "Apple with Steve Jobs" while believing Steve Jobs to dead how often we would say, "Steve Jobs must be rolling over in his grave."

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