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Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Immediately googled "9.7 inch in cm" because it's hard to imagine size in proprietary units used in only one country. But then encountered "1 lb., 7.5 mm" on the website. That's unit trolling. They should've used megahartleys per decimal second for LTE speed.

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From a Reddit comment, in addition to the bump from a A8x to A9 chip: - It's as thick as the iPad Air 1 (and thus thicker than the Air 2/9.7" Pro). - No laminated display (and no AR coating, True Tone, or wide color). - Air 2 quality camera. - The iPad mini 4 is now only available in 128GB, at $399. - The chamfers look matte, like the iPhone SE. Also, no Pencil support or smart connector.

Also, no Pencil support Does anyone know is there is a hardware reason that the normal iPad can't use the Pencil or is purely a software thing to make people buy the more expensive iPad Pro.

I'm not super knowledgeable about this so take this with a grain of salt. Some of this might be wrong.

Good modern touch screens, like the iPhone/iPad/Macbook trackpad are capacitive touch screens. An array of sensors emit a changing electric field which is affected by the dielectric constant of nearby materials, and fingers have a different dielectric constant from air. Capacitive sensors cannot detect pressure (although you can fake it a little).

Good modern digital pens, like the Wacom or Pencil, use radio waves. An array of antennas emits radio waves which are picked up by an antenna in the stylus. A microcontroller in the stylus computes the position and angle of the stylus, reads the pressure from another sensor in the stylus tip, and transmits the data back to the tablet over radio.

So you can see that they really are completely different technologies.

You can make a capacitive stylus, and those exist, you can even buy them at the store. However I've never seen a capacitive stylus that can detect pressure or angle at all, and capacitive sensors can't tell the difference between a stylus and your hand, so you can forget about resting your hand on the screen when you draw. The main reason I'd use a capacitive stylus is because I want to use an iPhone or iPad while I'm wearing gloves.

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Hmmm. Most people I know who own iPads have had them end up as rather expensive children's toys.

Mine's not a children's toy, but it's almost useless now. Once they stop updating iOS for a device, it's pretty much game over. Many apps have stopped working due to the developers making mistakes and publishing incompatible updates. Just about the only app I can still use is NetFlix.

I still have the first-gen iPad. The batteries barely hold a charge, but it works otherwise.

Even though it is comparatively heavy, I still really like the build quality.

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There is a legendary story about how Steve Jobs, upon his return to Apple, drastically cut-down the number of models that they offer. How on earth have they forgotten that lesson? Trying to figure out the differences between the 9.7" iPad and iPad pro is not easy, and regardless, it makes it harder to buy.

I don't disagree with the lesson, but does it always apply? When Jobs came back Apple was in a different place than it is today. To your second point, I completely agree. Regardless of the need to focus, causing confusion to consumers doesn't seem the right thing to do.

> I don't disagree with the lesson, but does it always apply? When Jobs came back Apple was in a different place than it is today.

Maybe, but on the other hand there is a lot of similarity between Apple v. Microsoft/PC-cloned on desktop and Apple v. Google/Android-devices on mobile.

And one similarity would seem to be that Apple is in no position to win on breadth and choice, but they may be in a position to win (at least, create a solid, profitable I market where they have little effective competition) by identifying key niches, and narrowly tailoring offerings to them.

In fact, I'd argue that their path in tablets and smartphones has been pretty similar as in PCs; they developed the market ahead of everyone else with fisrly narrow offerings, a competing platform emerged where the core software was separate from hardware manufacturers offering more choice, and drew them into trying to compete on the kind of choice offered by the competition.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always thought that was the iDevice's strength. With Android, you have nothing actually made by Google but by OEMs, with different names and branding that don't give any real information. Which phone is "the android"? My mom doesn't think she has an android phone, she thinks she has an LG and that Android is a different thing. People buy a low end Android phone and hate the entire ecosystem because the phone perfor…

You missed one, I just opened their home and this ad appeared "Buy iPhone 7 (PRODUCT)RED™ Special Edition" (4,7in , 5,5in), order starting at 8:01 a.m. PDT on 3.24. > Every purchase contributes to the Global Fund to support HIV/AIDS programs and help deliver an AIDS-free generation.

They've had those for ages, though...

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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There is a legendary story about how Steve Jobs, upon his return to Apple, drastically cut-down the number of models that they offer. How on earth have they forgotten that lesson? Trying to figure out the differences between the 9.7" iPad and iPad pro is not easy, and regardless, it makes it harder to buy.

Jobs also wanted one phone at one screen size based on some cargo-cult science about average thumb length. Apple was watching its lunch being eaten by people who would have had probably bought an iPhone but wanted the big screens Android has to offer. Thus the multiple iPhone models. He was also against the mini iPad size, which is the only iPad I'm willing to buy.

I think the limited product line is an artifact of the time and place Jobs and Apple were in the early 2000s. They had endless Mac models and a underwhelming value proposition. Cutting that down to a single colorful little Mac and a single pro product and their laptop equivalents made sense. Introducing the mobile revolution one simple product at a time also made sense.

Now they need to continue to make sales, so adding more products to address more niche markets is the only way forward. They've probably exhausted their "one size fits all" market at this point. Apple can't accept no or negative growth, so more niche products it is.

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post #95

Hmmm. Most people I know who own iPads have had them end up as rather expensive children's toys.

If I had a dollar for every time I've seen a kid at a restaurant playing on their IPad while the family eats...

I much prefer it when the kids are running around the restaurant engaging other customers.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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There is a legendary story about how Steve Jobs, upon his return to Apple, drastically cut-down the number of models that they offer. How on earth have they forgotten that lesson? Trying to figure out the differences between the 9.7" iPad and iPad pro is not easy, and regardless, it makes it harder to buy.

I always thought that was the iDevice's strength. With Android, you have nothing actually made by Google but by OEMs, with different names and branding that don't give any real information. Which phone is "the android"? My mom doesn't think she has an android phone, she thinks she has an LG and that Android is a different thing. People buy a low end Android phone and hate the entire ecosystem because the phone perfor…

It's still not that bad.

It's always a version number (ex., 7), the following version they add an 'S' (ex., 7S), then the following version they will increase the version number (ex., 8). "Plus" means bigger, and you can regognize it because it's bigger, "SE" means lower-end, you can recognize it because it costs a lot less.

I currently own a Huawei Y6II, which I read is a clone of the P9. No idea what it means, what the following version will be called, or what the previous version was called.

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post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost always because the device doesn't have enough RAM to support the new OS update.

That's part of what I'm disappointed about today: no RAM bump for the 9.7 Pro, and not clear whether the plain iPad is at 1 GB or 2.

Then that's good news for those who own the current model, isn't it? It will take longer for their tablet to obsolesce via OS update.
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