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Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by dmix »

marvindanig wrote: post #123
JohnnyConatus wrote: post #89

There is a legendary story about how Steve Jobs, upon his return to Apple, drastically cut-down the number of models that they offer. How on earth have they forgotten that lesson? Trying to figure out the differences between the 9.7" iPad and iPad pro is not easy, and regardless, it makes it harder to buy.

Also there was reason why Steve Jobs was against all tablet sizes except one. At the time Apple was going after revolutionizing the education market and the 9.7" iPad1/2 fit the bill for that purpose exactly. Then came the iPad mini whose sole purpose was to increase business bottom-line… and then a few more models based on other focuses or potential uses. Meh. Moral of story: Do not destroy the initial momentum and…

Current iPad sizes:

- iPad Pro 12.9"

- iPad Pro 9.7"

- iPad 9.7"

- iPad Mini 4 8" (edit: thanks pdpi/trymas)

It really should just be iPad (9.7) or iPad Pro (12.9) should it not? Now the customer has to decide between two 9.7 models with not so obvious differences between the two? And now there are two (edit: three) different iPad pages on the sales website you have to go through.

This changes the immediate conversation visiting the site for the first time between why I should get the iPad... to what's the difference and available options AND why should I get an iPad?

The Macbook vs Macbook Pro distinction was more obvious because it was basically casual/school vs work. But I don't really see tablets having that work vs casual dichotomy. It's more high-end vs affordable. Which from a mental categorization perspective doesn't fit neatly into the current product line.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

#132

Post by jpalomaki »

awjr wrote: post #7

I'd almost hoped they would have released a refreshed Macbook Pro range. I realise they are unlikely to recognise the joy and immense pleasure working on a MBP has brought me over the years, with the previous MBP being the pinnacle. Sadly I see the current MBP as something I will not be buying and will more than likely move back to a high end windows laptop.

It's not so easy on Windows side either. If you are really after a powerful machine that is convenient to carry with you (that means quad-core, 32GB), the choices are quite limited.

These the Dell stuff of course, but for example on Lenovo you would need to go with P50 or T470p. The latter is just a refresh of an old model and lacks for example USB-C and also the PCIe NVMe is only 2x. Kind of acceptable for now, but not so future proof. Also the displays are not really on par with Apple. To get a nice display you would go for X1, but there you are stuck with dual core and 16GB. Then we you start looking at the laptops in detail, you find out things like thermal throttling under load, displays getting dimmer and CPUs slower when running on battery etc. There's much more to the laptops than just the CPU and max memory capacity. Also lets not forget that Lenovo announced the new lineup already last year and still they are not shipping all the promised features. That's like over 3 months between promise and delivery.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

#133

Post by CoolGuySteve »

g051051 wrote: post #20
constantlm wrote: post #11

Hmmm. Most people I know who own iPads have had them end up as rather expensive children's toys.

Mine's not a children's toy, but it's almost useless now. Once they stop updating iOS for a device, it's pretty much game over. Many apps have stopped working due to the developers making mistakes and publishing incompatible updates. Just about the only app I can still use is NetFlix.

I taped my now updateless and painfully slow iPad 3 to my kitchen wall facing the counter. It's got a web browser for recipes, can play YouTube, and can play music via Bluetooth to my stereo.

It's pretty great for that use. I regret not having thought of it before.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

#134

Post by pdpi »

dmix wrote: post #131
marvindanig wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also there was reason why Steve Jobs was against all tablet sizes except one. At the time Apple was going after revolutionizing the education market and the 9.7" iPad1/2 fit the bill for that purpose exactly. Then came the iPad mini whose sole purpose was to increase business bottom-line… and then a few more models based on other focuses or potential uses. Meh. Moral of story: Do not destroy the initial momentum and…

Current iPad sizes: - iPad Pro 12.9" - iPad Pro 9.7" - iPad 9.7" - iPad Mini 4 8" (edit: thanks pdpi/trymas) It really should just be iPad (9.7) or iPad Pro (12.9) should it not? Now the customer has to decide between two 9.7 models with not so obvious differences between the two? And now there are two (edit: three) different iPad pages on the sales website you have to go through. This changes the immediate conversat…

Plus the iPad Mini 7.9".

As a 9.7 Pro owner, the differences between the 9.7 Pro and the regular iPad are quite important. I just wish they made the comparison easier, though.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by natch »

constantlm wrote: post #11

Hmmm. Most people I know who own iPads have had them end up as rather expensive children's toys.

Not expensive considering the better quality of the educational and fun apps and content available on the platform.

I'm a firm believer in the value of gaming and learning... it's a priority.

That aside, as an adult I'm still using my iPad every day.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by trymas »

dmix wrote: post #131
marvindanig wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also there was reason why Steve Jobs was against all tablet sizes except one. At the time Apple was going after revolutionizing the education market and the 9.7" iPad1/2 fit the bill for that purpose exactly. Then came the iPad mini whose sole purpose was to increase business bottom-line… and then a few more models based on other focuses or potential uses. Meh. Moral of story: Do not destroy the initial momentum and…

Current iPad sizes: - iPad Pro 12.9" - iPad Pro 9.7" - iPad 9.7" - iPad Mini 4 8" (edit: thanks pdpi/trymas) It really should just be iPad (9.7) or iPad Pro (12.9) should it not? Now the customer has to decide between two 9.7 models with not so obvious differences between the two? And now there are two (edit: three) different iPad pages on the sales website you have to go through. This changes the immediate conversat…

http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini-4/

ipad mini still exists

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by S_A_P »

dmix wrote: post #131
marvindanig wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also there was reason why Steve Jobs was against all tablet sizes except one. At the time Apple was going after revolutionizing the education market and the 9.7" iPad1/2 fit the bill for that purpose exactly. Then came the iPad mini whose sole purpose was to increase business bottom-line… and then a few more models based on other focuses or potential uses. Meh. Moral of story: Do not destroy the initial momentum and…

Current iPad sizes: - iPad Pro 12.9" - iPad Pro 9.7" - iPad 9.7" - iPad Mini 4 8" (edit: thanks pdpi/trymas) It really should just be iPad (9.7) or iPad Pro (12.9) should it not? Now the customer has to decide between two 9.7 models with not so obvious differences between the two? And now there are two (edit: three) different iPad pages on the sales website you have to go through. This changes the immediate conversat…

This. So Much. There needs to be a rationalization initiative at Apple to streamline things. If you want to command high end profits, you cant release commodity grade products. Is there even anything new here with this ipad?

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

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Post by natch »

jps359 wrote: post #95
constantlm wrote: post #11

Hmmm. Most people I know who own iPads have had them end up as rather expensive children's toys.

If I had a dollar for every time I've seen a kid at a restaurant playing on their IPad while the family eats...

So terrible... what would you do, not allow children to have fun?

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

#139

Post by orbitur »

rayiner wrote: post #106
berberous wrote: post #45

From a Reddit comment, in addition to the bump from a A8x to A9 chip: - It's as thick as the iPad Air 1 (and thus thicker than the Air 2/9.7" Pro). - No laminated display (and no AR coating, True Tone, or wide color). - Air 2 quality camera. - The iPad mini 4 is now only available in 128GB, at $399. - The chamfers look matte, like the iPhone SE. Also, no Pencil support or smart connector.

How can they justify such a huge regression in the screen?!

The loss of lamination is a regression, but the other features were only present on the Pro model.

Re: iPad 9.7‑inch

#140

Post by jlebrech »

simonh wrote: post #55
jlebrech wrote: post #19

if they want everyone to use ipads they should make an ide for it.

Why wait for Apple? There are dozens of development environments and coding tools already available, several of which can be used to build App Store Apps right on your phone or iPad, although you'll need to export them to XCode to build the app package. Check out Codea, Pythonista and the Kodiak Javascript and PHP apps for starters. But yes, official support for development on the device would be very welcome and giv…

i'm just hoping for a revolutionary new way to develop.
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